#SOGGang presents Son of God vs. Son of Vodka #Noexcuses edition

[Newzz]

Ward, Hopkins, and Toney... 3 great fighters, gotta think about their resume but, I honestly think there's always different ways of looking at a fighter's legacy. In its entirety, on his/her best night or streak of fights, or just whenever they looked their best throughout a career. Even then there's the consideration of how well they perform in each bout and the stage of their/their opponent's career.

I can't say which is right or wrong, because I flip-flop constantly trying to find a fair and equal balance to judge a fighter's worth throughout the centuries of this sport. As crazy as it sounds, I argue with myself just to challenge my own thinking so that I make sure I'm being fair and balanced.

So with that said, if you're lurking, come on in and join the discussion, we need as many boxing heads that are fair and not racially biased as we can get. Coming in attacking is the wrong move, nobody is gonna welcome you with a barrage of insults or negs if you come in respectfully. We love to discuss this sport, debate this sport, and have a good time. Apart from a few people, which is common in any group of people, we don't have no real problems with each other and sometimes it gets heated just because we feel passionate about what we love.

Come on in y'all, talk it up, laugh, get angry, pose questions, post videos, be great.

Exactly @SuikodenII

 

[rico_ens]

Y'all usually good posters n I respect u guys incite/opinions but cut that stan war shyt out shyt is wack b....

With that said I got kov stopping ward round the 8-9th round that wrestling shyt ain't gonna fly this fight

 

[krackdagawd]

Ward, Hopkins, and Toney... 3 great fighters, gotta think about their resume but, I honestly think there's always different ways of looking at a fighter's legacy. In its entirety, on his/her best night or streak of fights, or just whenever they looked their best throughout a career. Even then there's the consideration of how well they perform in each bout and the stage of their/their opponent's career.

I can't say which is right or wrong, because I flip-flop constantly trying to find a fair and equal balance to judge a fighter's worth throughout the centuries of this sport. As crazy as it sounds, I argue with myself just to challenge my own thinking so that I make sure I'm being fair and balanced.

So with that said, if you're lurking, come on in and join the discussion, we need as many boxing heads that are fair and not racially biased as we can get. Coming in attacking is the wrong move, nobody is gonna welcome you with a barrage of insults or negs if you come in respectfully. We love to discuss this sport, debate this sport, and have a good time. Apart from a few people, which is common in any group of people, we don't have no real problems with each other and sometimes it gets heated just because we feel passionate about what we love.

Come on in y'all, talk it up, laugh, get angry, pose questions, post videos, be great.

Ward's resume >>> Pre Tito B-Hop's.

Toney though Don't know about that one.

H2H I'd pick Toney at 160/168. At 175, it's a tossup :ohwelp:

These are reasonable responses these are just fantasy match ups aint no right or wrong answer its all oponion but nikkas love to let nostalgia cloud shyt w that "back in my day" shyt.

They are all 3 great hall of fame worthy fighters so why on Google earf nas are nikkas acting like we're super stans for mentioning the match up or what could be an issue for certain fighters. I don't get it.

Especially guys who have lost to "lesser" opponenents. It is what it is though I ain't trying to change nobody mind. I have my opinions nikkas have theirs.

 

[krackdagawd]

Y'all usually good posters n I respect u guys incite/opinions but cut that stan war shyt out shyt is wack b....

With that said I got kov stopping ward round the 8-9th round that wrestling shyt ain't gonna fly this fight

Well friend since you are new around here we have these things called avi bets for fights if your guy wins you can put whatever you want in my avi for a month or vice versa as long as we not breaking forum rules porn etc.


Since you feel so strongly on a kkkov ko how about I welcome you with a friendly avi bet friend.

 

[King P]

Y'all usually good posters n I respect u guys incite/opinions but cut that stan war shyt out shyt is wack b....

With that said I got kov stopping ward round the 8-9th round that wrestling shyt ain't gonna fly this fight

First off, welcome to The Ring.

2nd, the Stan wars here are very tongue in cheek and it livens shyt up. Don't take it too seriously.

3rd, how's it not gonna fly this time around Tony Weeks is the ref for this fight, and he's known to let fighters take liberties on the inside.

If Kovalev was a better inside fighter, it wouldn't be an issue. But he's not, and was initiating all the headlocks and whatnot in the 1st fight :ohwelp:

If Kovalev doesn't put Ward away early, it's not happening at all

 

[krackdagawd]

For the record Drake Thadzi is black...from Malawi....when in doubt Google

I called Brook a eurocac too good try nice effort

 

[HeruDat1]

If this was the case then why not just steam roll him like he does his other over match opponents

I mean he dropped him and the 3rd round came and he was fighting scarry for a fighter who had just dropped a guy. Why not go for the kill? I can't wait until Sat #NoExcuses

But in general, you cant think to mow down a guy just because a fighter doesn't have "power".

Don't spin it now, let me help you out with the official Kovalev Excuse.

"I knocked him down in round 2, and equated in my mind that there will be more knockdowns/a knockout."

:SOG:

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3R SOG Smug

#NoExcuses

 

[The axe murderer]

 

[SuikodenII]

These are reasonable responses these are just fantasy match ups aint no right or wrong answer its all oponion but nikkas love to let nostalgia cloud shyt w that "back in my day" shyt.

They are all 3 great hall of fame worthy fighters so why on Google earf nas are nikkas acting like we're super stans for mentioning the match up or what could be an issue for certain fighters. I don't get it.

Especially guys who have lost to "lesser" opponenents. It is what it is though I ain't trying to change nobody mind. I have my opinions nikkas have theirs.

It's tough arguing about fighters who fought at different times, weight issues aside. I agree with Teddy Atlas when he says you can only judge a fighter based on what was available for him at the time. I also agree that there are times where what is available is higher/lower quality than other times.

Either way, it's still a fun argument to be had.

 

[SuikodenII]

Well friend since you are new around here we have these things called avi bets for fights if your guy wins you can put whatever you want in my avi for a month or vice versa as long as we not breaking forum rules porn etc.


Since you feel so strongly on a kkkov ko how about I welcome you with a friendly avi bet friend.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Havent checked in in awhile. Ward is in Kovalev's stans heads just like he is your fighters. Come to stan and get your fighter to fight like a man, you don't have to take it there.

Kovalev better be ready to fight with improved skill and not with his emotions or Saturday is going to be a long night for him.

Been thinking, I need to go visit my customers again this week so I can re-up my bet with them from the first fight. Same bet as last time, I have Ward in a decision (they are taking Kov).

 

[reservoirdogs]

Imagine if Ward would somehow KO him...
We would have a room full with "I saw his acne" stories

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ward vs Kovalev II: Carl Froch looks back on his battle with Andre Ward

Ward vs Kovalev II: Carl Froch looks back on his battle with Andre Ward
Last Updated: 15/06/17 6:16am

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Highlights of the 2011 super-middleweight world title fight between Carl Froch and Andre Ward in Atlantic City
Carl Froch gives an insight into what it is like to face Andre Ward, ahead of Sergey Kovalev's blockbuster rematch with the current light-heavyweight king.

Froch lost a unanimous decision to Ward when the super-middleweights fought in Atlantic City as part of the Super Six tournament, with the WBA 'super' and WBC world titles also on the line.

Live Fight Night International
June 18, 2017, 2:00am


Does Andre Ward have any weaknesses?

Froch admits he barely laid a glove on Ward
I think he fades late on but maybe it was because he struggled to make super-middleweight. He was starting to run away from me in the last couple of rounds, but maybe he knew he'd won it on points and was just killing the clock down and staying out of trouble.

But if the fight went 15 rounds, I honestly think I could've got him out of there.

What was your game plan?

Andre Ward earned a unanimous points verdict over Carl Froch
It's difficult to say because me and Rob [McCracken] never went into a fight with one. People talk about Plan A, Plan B and even a C, but you have to see what the other guy brings on the night.

We pretty much knew what Ward was going to do, but I had seen him out-box people, not sit on their chest, tie them up and be boring and ugly.

We never said the game plan was to stay up close and work with him in there, or run, jab and move because you can't really have that sort of plan against somebody like Ward. On the outside, for me, he was too quick and too skilful.

I suppose the game plan was to work, land shots and get hit as little as possible.

How good is Ward at fighting on the inside?

On the outside, he generally has it all his own way and is fast behind the jab and boxes very well. He stays out of the way and doesn't get hit by a punch. The jab, the hook and that right he shoots to the body are so fast and accurate.

When he's in trouble and it's hard for him he stays in close, hits, holds and uses his head, nullifying the opponent.

I did think up close that I could out-strength him because he's not a big puncher. But he knows what goes on up close and that makes him such a good fighter. He can adapt and change to each fight.

Did Ward surprise you in any way?

Froch and Ward battle up close
His physical strength surprised me. I can out-strength probably anyone up close and I have previously done a bit of MMA which helps, but Ward surprised me - he was very strong.

Is the American difficult to hit?


Is Andre Ward the pound-for-pound No 1?
Look at why the Californian could be considered the best boxer on the planet

I started to get to him with a couple of shots late on, when he was running. A few to the body and a little right when close up but, to be honest, he's really difficult to hit.

At arm's length he was almost impossible to tag, simply because I wasn't fast enough. He had the speed on me, which a lot of fighters had on me. Jermain Taylor had it on me but I was able to close him down, back him up, wear him out and then knock him out. Ward knows how to survive.

At what point did you think that you were not going to be able to beat him?

Around the fifth or sixth round, I sat down and just said to my trainer: "I can't hit him!" I couldn't get near him. It was so frustrating and when the 12th-round bell went, I knew I had lost, but I hadn't even had a fight
Carl Froch

Around the fifth or sixth round, I sat down and just said to my trainer: "I can't hit him!" I couldn't get near him. It was so frustrating and when the 12th-round bell went I just sort of held my hands out to say I've lost the fight. I knew I'd lost but I didn't think I'd even had a fight.

Usually, my hands are hurting after a fight but they didn't. My face looked a little red and marked round the nose because I'd had his head rubbing against my face all night, but I never got hit by anything big.

He didn't really hit me, I didn't hit him and I lost 115-113 on two of the cards but people were saying I was outclassed. I was one round behind a draw, so how can they think that?

How good is Ward pound for pound?

Sergey Kovalev will be seeking revenge in the unification rematch
Ward is in the 'who needs him' or the 'who wants to try and beat him' club, so everyone turns up to watch and just thinks 'right I want to see him get beat now' just like they did with Floyd Mayweather.

However, I think he will eventually get to that level where he is unbeaten and is pretty much unbeatable.

there's more like this with Pascal and Paul Smith

SkySports kinda promote this more than HBO does

 

[reservoirdogs]

Kovalev vs Ward II: Jean Pascal has suffered two defeats at the hands of Sergey Kovalev

Ward vs Kovalev II: Paul Smith reflects on Andre Ward fight

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ward will be like

The Demon's era has ended.