So when is the recession going to end?

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damn if I know :yeshrug:

but I do know we need to get onto solar and wind energy and away from carbon

I do know we need to get into higher quality smaller scale production processes for things like food

beyond that, I have no great ideas

I think we talked about this on KTL a bit too, I really think there's a sort of "end of lifecycle" thing that's going on with developed economies, I'm not sure what's next once you've already had mass industrialization.. i think it's clear that a pure-services industry is not the answer because the jobs there are often low wage and unfulfilling and service type industries (entertainment, fast food, telecom etc) suffer in recessions
 
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yeah ive thought about this some more since that time you brought up that point on ktl and i now just think that it seems we're waiting on technology to improve, and until it can really give us things like super abundant energy we're basically trapped in this degrade phase that capitalist systems eventually cycle into.

my big fear is that we simply lock into that degraded phase permanently and become in essence, a planet of ghettos and well guarded wealthy neighborhoods, for the next 500 years. i dont know how things are trending in the rest of the developing world but here in america it looks like we're really just gearing up for a big slow down into this kind of model. but once we enter it, i really see no way out.
 

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my big fear is that we simply lock into that degraded phase permanently and become in essence, a planet of ghettos and well guarded wealthy neighborhoods, for the next 500 years. i dont know how things are trending in the rest of the developing world but here in america it looks like we're really just gearing up for a big slow down into this kind of model. but once we enter it, i really see no way out.

I saw a presentation a while ago from some consulting or financial firm that said something like this breh, that the world is bifurcating into an interconnected transnational global elite and then a bunch of people who 'don't matter' as far as the firms goals are concerned

it's scary huh. maybe medieval peasants and serfs will have had it better than the 'free' poor at the end of the capitalism cycle
 

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1 of 2 ways

it will end when population size decreases through natural attrition via lowered birth rates thus opening more jobs again via lower competition for jobs

or

technology will make it so that you dont need a job to have housing, electricity, transport, food etc


the first way is itself only a phase and gradually jobs will start to shed again via technology gradually eliminating all jobs.

the second way is permanent
The second possibility is what happened in The Matrix right before the machines took over
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I saw a presentation a while ago from some consulting or financial firm that said something like this breh, that the world is bifurcating into an interconnected transnational global elite and then a bunch of people who 'don't matter' as far as the firms goals are concerned

it's scary huh. maybe medieval peasants and serfs will have had it better than the 'free' poor at the end of the capitalism cycle

i think the rogue card is the rest of the developing world. countries like china and india are distinct from whats going on in the west right now so in my eyes the only thing that has an ability to alter this kind of fate is in their hands. which is not to say that they wont look to do the exact same thing, but for these rougue players on the world stage, there is more open endedness as to what kinds of societies they are ultimately trying to create for the future
 

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technically the recession ended a while ago...what your experiencing is a stagnant recovery with phenemonel growth rates of 1.7% lol Its like if you used to make 800 a week lost your job for a month or two and started seeing your savings deplete say 100 a week and then now have a part time job making 300 a week

When I say I would immerse and dedicate my life for the sake of being a corporate shark whos one and only purpose is to annihilate other peoples lives, savings, money, prosperity and future - this is the reason.

The vast stupidity, the incredible amount of dumbness, the astonishing rate of pure unfiltered propaganda driven ass-heads who eat EVERYTHING those politicians slaves (Whitey corporations buy those puppets, including everyones hero nikka Obama) say.


you people are so fukking dumb its beyond the point of saving. Maybe Israel should inflict the WW3, we need it, we need far less people wasting resources on this planet.


stagnant recovery with phenemonel growth

:mindblown:
 

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technically the recession ended a while ago...what your experiencing is a stagnant recovery with phenemonel growth rates of 1.7% lol Its like if you used to make 800 a week lost your job for a month or two and started seeing your savings deplete say 100 a week and then now have a part time job making 300 a week

technically this is true. Don't see what's controversial about this statement.
 

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When I say I would immerse and dedicate my life for the sake of being a corporate shark whos one and only purpose is to annihilate other peoples lives, savings, money, prosperity and future - this is the reason.

The vast stupidity, the incredible amount of dumbness, the astonishing rate of pure unfiltered propaganda driven ass-heads who eat EVERYTHING those politicians slaves (Whitey corporations buy those puppets, including everyones hero nikka Obama) say.


you people are so fukking dumb its beyond the point of saving. Maybe Israel should inflict the WW3, we need it, we need far less people wasting resources on this planet.




:mindblown:

Do you have a sarcasm detector? Obviously when I said phenomenal it wasnt what I mean especially when I paired it stagnant lol
 

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tis naught a recession,its a war of attrition and terror,the dayze of revelation and devastation,mind control and throwin your corpse in a hole while suctioning your soul..
 

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the other thing is that the recession was an excuse for many companies to cut a bunch of jobs

in the recovery they haven't hired those people back, they have just made the active employees work harder

so an economic recovery is not going to guarantee a jobs recovery
 
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