So We Really Gotta Get A 5th String QB Huh....2023 49ers Offseason Thread

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No Armstead would have been good enough to get it done. But like I said before. I would have let Armstead and Kittle walk before I let Buckner go. Both stay hurt. People thought it was crazy at the time I said it. Fast forward to now, both of their contracts are too high for the production given. Those cats stay with the health issues.

100% agree.
 

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I call bullshyt. Not having those two big contracts would have let us extend Warner as well. One thing about the Niners they do a great job of re-signing the players they want.

Kittle isn't worth it. He doesn't play enough. Plus TE isn't a crucial must have position to have as a star. Finding a solid run block TE isn't hard to find. He was are main target in the beginning because we had trash WRs.

Armstead is even worse with the injuries

Kittle accounts for 20% of the teams total offense that doesn't include his impact on run the run game. You can't replace him with Charlie Woerner.

Armstead is a top 10 DT in this league breh the defensive line looks completely different when he is not there. He has been healthy the last 4 seasons this season was an anomaly.
 

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I think the main point is that the Niners bet on going cheaper with Armstead and hitting the draft pick to replace DeFo and lost that bet :manny: Kinlaw ended up being a bust and even though Armstead found his calling playing DT and is very good at it, he continues to have health issues more often than not.

So having lost that bet, it becomes clear we could've just given DeFo the contract he wanted. I don't buy for a second that it was an impossible task. We are seeing it right now in the wake of Bosa's extension (and really, any big time player a franchise wants to keep): you do the math and restructure every contract you can to make cap space. Once the deal is signed and you kept your star player, then you can restructure his contract too, even a year after he signed.
Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see Buck getting us any further than we already were and now we’ve replaced him. Kinlaw didn’t stop us from winning anything. Qb injuries did. Our defense didn’t miss a beat
 

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Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see Buck getting us any further than we already were and now we’ve replaced him. Kinlaw didn’t stop us from winning anything. Qb injuries did. Our defense didn’t miss a beat

This is where I am at with this. We made NFC Championship twice with out him and even in the most injured season in NFL history we still managed field a top 10 defense.
 

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I call bullshyt. Not having those two big contracts would have let us extend Warner as well. One thing about the Niners they do a great job of re-signing the players they want.

Kittle isn't worth it. He doesn't play enough. Plus TE isn't a crucial must have position to have as a star. Finding a solid run block TE isn't hard to find. He was are main target in the beginning because we had trash WRs.

Armstead is even worse with the injuries
Kittle had 11 fukking TD last season with the injuries. Deebo had 2. In fact, he’s never had more than 6.

What are you talking about? He’s definitely needed
 

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Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see Buck getting us any further than we already were and now we’ve replaced him. Kinlaw didn’t stop us from winning anything. Qb injuries did. Our defense didn’t miss a beat
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That's fair, and a very different discussion from the contract one. If y'all werent willing to pay him because he wouldn't have made a difference I can understand that. I disagree, but I understand it.
 

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That's fair, and a very different discussion from the contract one. If y'all werent willing to pay him because he wouldn't have made a difference I can understand that. I disagree, but I understand it.

I think Buckner is a hell of a player. Def elite. I would have liked to see him in crimson and gold for a decade. But I had the feeling after the 2019 season he would want to get the bag and I am sure it was a hard decision for the front office. I just think contract wise the the team is looking ahead and trying go for depth as opposed to being top heavy. Even with the contract we gave Javon Hargrave we have escape clauses as opposed to constant restructures that some other teams have to do then they are eating so much dead money which has worked out for us pretty well. I think the person that was an egregious overpay since this regime started was Jimmy Garapollo and I can excuse that because that because we kinda had to do it.
 
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