So We Really Gotta Get A 5th String QB Huh....2023 49ers Offseason Thread

[feelosofer]

I am not concerned about Edge. We can bring a veteran like Jadaveon Clowney or Dante Fowler for a cheap prove it deal and we have the picks to draft a developmental one in the 3rd round or later. The bigger concern to me is bringing in a veteran tackle to compete with Colton McKivitz.

 

[Dat916nigga]

If you take into account, inflation and the cap in 2023, we'e paying less for Hargrave.

Buckner refused that deal that was offered to him, he wanted his 100 million dollars, he got it, he's just bitter he's stuck in purgatory with a middling Colts team.

I think we can all agree that the Buckner trade was a mistake. If Lynch could have a do-over, he’d keep knowing what we know now. I think we can also all agree that as good as Buckner is, the defense hasn’t missed a beat since he left

It’s not really worth getting worked up over imo

 

[jwonder]

I am not concerned about Edge. We can bring a veteran like Jadaveon Clowney or Dante Fowler for a cheap prove it deal and we have the picks to draft a developmental one in the 3rd round or later. The bigger concern to me is bringing in a veteran tackle to compete with Colton McKivitz.

Clowney has been such a disappointment and is oft injured. It's target pass on him

If they can find another cheaper bust similar to Ferrell I say take him over Clowney.

Of course the Niners will draft an edge

 

[Jmare007]

It's not the same year, cap situation or anything really

I think the main point is that the Niners bet on going cheaper with Armstead and hitting the draft pick to replace DeFo and lost that bet Kinlaw ended up being a bust and even though Armstead found his calling playing DT and is very good at it, he continues to have health issues more often than not.

So having lost that bet, it becomes clear we could've just given DeFo the contract he wanted. I don't buy for a second that it was an impossible task. We are seeing it right now in the wake of Bosa's extension (and really, any big time player a franchise wants to keep): you do the math and restructure every contract you can to make cap space. Once the deal is signed and you kept your star player, then you can restructure his contract too, even a year after he signed.

 

[Jmare007]

Of course the Niners will draft an edge

A tradition unlike any other

 

[ChuckTaylor84]

maybe Buckner wasn't a good teammate behind the scenes

 

[feelosofer]

Clowney has been such a disappointment and is oft injured. It's target pass on him

If they can find another cheaper bust similar to Ferrell I say take him over Clowney.

Of course the Niners will draft an edge

I never liked Clowney for where he was drafted but as a part timer, for a modest contact of course he would be fine. Who ever we get has to be cool with a 5 million dollar or less contract on a prove it deal.

 

[jwonder]

I never liked Clowney for where he was drafted but as a part timer, for a modest contact of course he would be fine. Who ever we get has to be cool with a 5 million dollar or less contract on a prove it deal.

5 million is too high. It was too high for Darnold bum ass. Both positions can be taken care of in the draft or FA at a cheaper rate.

 

[jwonder]

I think the main point is that the Niners bet on going cheaper with Armstead and hitting the draft pick to replace DeFo and lost that bet Kinlaw ended up being a bust and even though Armstead found his calling playing DT and is very good at it, he continues to have health issues more often than not.

So having lost that bet, it becomes clear we could've just given DeFo the contract he wanted. I don't buy for a second that it was an impossible task. We are seeing it right now in the wake of Bosa's extension (and really, any big time player a franchise wants to keep): you do the math and restructure every contract you can to make cap space. Once the deal is signed and you kept your star player, then you can restructure his contract too, even a year after he signed.

No Armstead would have been good enough to get it done. But like I said before. I would have let Armstead and Kittle walk before I let Buckner go. Both stay hurt. People thought it was crazy at the time I said it. Fast forward to now, both of their contracts are too high for the production given. Those cats stay with the health issues.

 

[feelosofer]

I'd like us to kick the tires on Jermaine Eluemunor from the Raiders. Might be a little rich for our blood.

Also perhaps Ju,wuan James from the Ravens. I think he can compete for the right tackle spot granted he's been a little beat up the past 2 years but I think he is a good bargain basement tackle.

Plus we can draft a developmental tackle.

 

[jwonder]

Motherfukker was ghost for 95% of the season after living in our threads for years. Then comesback for the playoff game on some shyt and got his ass beat so bad he went ghost again

Yeah. The fakkit was all happy when they were up at half of the play off game. I said the Niners will stop playing around and dominate the second half which they did. Then he went back to his disappearing act. Finding a Seacock fan now is like trying to find Big Foot.

 

[feelosofer]

No Armstead would have been good enough to get it done. But like I said before. I would have let Armstead and Kittle walk before I let Buckner go. Both stay hurt. People thought it was crazy at the time I said it. Fast forward to know, both of their contracts are too high for the production given. Those cats stay with the health issues.

Even with the health issues, Kittle is a top 3 tight end and Arik is a top 10 DT. Both of those contracts.

Just so you know if we gave Buckner the money we would not be able to extend Fred Warner as well.

 

[Jmare007]

Even with the health issues, Kittle is a top 3 tight end and Arik is a top 10 DT. Both of those contracts.

Just so you know if we gave Buckner the money we would not be able to extend Fred Warner as well.

How do we know this? Teams flex and change contracts every offseason to manage the cap. Just look at what we just did with Hargrave's deal. For the life of me I can't understand why you take DeFo's deal as some iron clad shyt that was gonna affect the cap in a way that the Niners couldn't do shyt to make other deals work, knowing full well what every NFL franchise does in those situations.

The Rams went on a 4-5 year run were they kept giving huge contracts to big time players and everytime we were all at how they managed to make it work cap wise. The fact of the matter is we have no fukking clue how the cap works and how much a team can do to fit in whatever player/contract they want . Of course every run has to end at some point and the Rams are finally letting players go but they did it until they got a ring.....

 

[feelosofer]

How do we know this? Teams flex and change contracts every offseason to manage the cap. Just look at what we just did with Hargrave's deal. For the life of me I can't understand why you take DeFo's deal as some iron clad shyt that was gonna affect the cap in a way that the Niners couldn't do shyt to make other deals work, knowing full well what every NFL franchise does in those situations.

The Rams went on a 4-5 year run were they kept giving huge contracts to big time players and everytime we were all at how they managed to make it work cap wise. The fact of the matter is we have no fukking clue how the cap works and how much a team can do to fit in whatever player/contract they want . Of course every run has to end at some point and the Rams are finally letting players go but they did it until they got a ring.....

I liked Buckner as much as all of you do. But Buckner (through his agent) said not only wasn't taking a discount he wanted Aaron Donald money.

You can only manuever the cap so much the Rams credit card Bill is due. Yes they got their Super Bowl but they will likely be trash the next few years at least because of all the dead money.

The Colts had/have a shyt load of salary cap. They were able to give Buckner exactly what he wanted for the most part. Dude is sucking his teeth now because we remained successful for the most part without him and he lives in Indianapolis on a mediocre team pissing a way his prime.

John Lynch is making a team that can compete every year consistently. Health permitting we will be a high level playoff team for the forseeable future. The team is young and well coached.

We are a destination team. Players sign with us for a year or two and get paid.

Jeff Wilson was an undrafted free agent and has the chance to make 10-15 million dollars once its all said and done.

We were heheing and bytching about McGlinchey and he just got an 80 million dollar contract (not saying we should have matched it or anything) but we have a system in place, clearly that is bigger than any one player.

I'm just saying its been 3 years since he was gone. Its over.

 

[jwonder]

Even with the health issues, Kittle is a top 3 tight end and Arik is a top 10 DT. Both of those contracts.

Just so you know if we gave Buckner the money we would not be able to extend Fred Warner as well.

I call bullshyt. Not having those two big contracts would have let us extend Warner as well. One thing about the Niners they do a great job of re-signing the players they want.

Kittle isn't worth it. He doesn't play enough. Plus TE isn't a crucial must have position to have as a star. Finding a solid run block TE isn't hard to find. He was are main target in the beginning because we had trash WRs.

Armstead is even worse with the injuries