So we now acting like prime The Neptunes beats were/are ass?

[KnickstapeCity]

I fukk with that beat hard pause

 

[Still Benefited]

The point is, you can't compare someone clicking a mouse with samples already given to them to someone finding their own samples with inferior equipment. I don't understand how that's so hard to comprehend

You cant compare someone finding samples on inferior equipment,to the people who composed what they are sampling.


My point is the gap of difficulty isnt nearly as vast as you are making it out to be . If we cant compare the people finding samples using quality OR inferior equipment. Then anybody using a computer to make beats should be considred a laughing stock by your logic


Its not nearly as blasphemous as you make it sound.

"Bu bu but they only gotta use one button now!"

 

[JustCKing]

They proved nothing really. When you only work with the biggest names its easy to not look like a trend. We watched Dre help put nikkas on 20 years apart with his production. Can the same be said for the Neptunes? Trap music has held a dominant sound for longer than 5 years and has aged better than those Neptunes beats. So what should we do with that info?


Does a dominant sound make something great? Mumble rap has also been a dominant style in hiphop. Its easy,quick,and doesnt take genius to recreate

I agree with your point about The Neptunes not really have much success with artists who weren't big names, but that's neither here or there. Why? We've watched producers who did the same not have anywhere near the longevity.

I don't know what you're getting at with Trap. Its maintained longevity, so we can't really say that its aged horribly. That was the argument I was making. That doesn't mean its wrong to say its wack, but to say its aged horribly would be in error considering that sound is still in style.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I actually love discussions like this because it’s always cool to hear others opinions

I see it differently when it comes to The Neptunes

They are the only producers from that era who could still produced those same beats today and it still sounds like 50 years ahead of its time

The Neptunes beats are timeless to me

There’s timeless beats and there’s dated beats and Neptunes are definitely timeless. Dated beats are some stuff Fabolous and Keith Murray rapped over in the early to mid 00s.

 

[BEN23]

I truly dont see how you can say Hyphy didnt age well when you like Neptunes beats.


This beat would fit right in to the Neptunes catalog


And alot of yall would call this beat garbage.
Yall need to acknowledge yall just liked the rappers on those songs and not the beats themselves. Its nothing wrong with that,but its blinding yall to think those beats were classic or ahead of their time. Theres no way you would ride around bumping the instrumentals to those neptunes records

you are a idiot...im sure whoever made that beat was influenced by the neptunes...

 

[Still Benefited]

I agree with your point about The Neptunes not really have much success with artists who weren't big names, but that's neither here or there. Why? We've watched producers who did the same not have anywhere near the longevity.

I don't know what you're getting at with Trap. Its maintained longevity, so we can't really say that its aged horribly. That was the argument I was making. That doesn't mean its wrong to say its wack, but to say its aged horribly would be in error considering that sound is still in style.

Im just saying,working with artist who are so hot they can fart on a track and its a hit,doesnt really speak to their dominance or longevity to me. I dont know if these songs are hits because of their beats,or just because the artist cant miss at the moment.

What im getting at with trap is simply that its had a nice run of dominance,yet its managed to age gracefully. And really doesnt sound outdated to me at all for the most part. I dont think the length of the run means your sound cant become outdated. I think those Neptune sounding beats did largely,but Trap has not. So saying how long their run was is meaningless,if it sounds dated NOW is what we are discussing.


We can argue if its fair to judge the sound in hindsight. But folks do it with 80s production all the time,so it seems like fair game to me. Cant expect producers to see the future. But to me sounding timeless does matter when we start ranking producers. How beats age should go into longevity,just how we measure rappers. How long did the beats sound good for? Not very long in the Neptunes case for me.

 

[JustCKing]

Im just saying,working with artist who are so hot they can fart on a track and its a hit,doesnt really speak to their dominance or longevity to me. I dont know if these songs are hits because of their beats,or just because the artist cant miss at the moment.

What im getting at with trap is simply that its had a nice run of dominance,yet its managed to age gracefully. And really doesnt sound outdated to me at all for the most part. I dont think the length of the run means your sound cant become outdated. I think those Neptune sounding beats did largely,but Trap has not. So saying how long their run was is meaningless,if it sounds dated NOW is what we are discussing.


We can argue if its fair to judge the sound in hindsight. But folks do it with 80s production all the time,so it seems like fair game to me. Cant expect producers to see the future. But to me sounding timeless does matter when we start ranking producers. How beats age should go into longevity,just how we measure rappers. How long did the beats sound good for? Not very long in the Neptunes case for me.

Something being dated is an entirely different argument. G Funk is dated.

The length of a run does matter. Take Lil Jon for instance. Short shelf life. He has some classic songs, but for the most part, that sound and style did not age well. Why? It had a short shelf life. Scott Storch had a crazy 2003-2007 run, but that sound and style had a short shelf life. And when we look at songs like "Candy Shop", which was a #1 single for weeks, did it survive beyond 2005. Same could be said about other Storch joints from that album.

Producers can't see the future, but some sounds can definitely influence and inform the future. Timbaland, Mannie Fresh, Legendary Traxter, DJ Paul & Juicy J all have production that sound like now even though it was released in the 90's.