so since dre had a lot of ghost producers and assistance, basically quik is the best from the west

[shopthatwrecks]

Quik is dope but I think people have really slept hard on Daz, Big Hutch, and Soopafly.

Daz is a student of quik. again david blake does not appear in the inlet of dogg food for nothing...david blake was what quik went by durin his work for hire phase at death row ...

quik n hutch has a interview together a couple of years ago.. quik told him about break beats quik invented that hutch uses often it came from 2nd iin none 1st album i think its be true to yaself...


early daz u can hear the quik influence...the bells, synths...basslines etc

he got into his own once dre n pac got killed..

then mike dean took em under his wing..

 

[JustCKing]

naw, bruh. come on now. you already know how funny and political the industry can be.
dre is the 1 who is always referenced as the "quincy jones of hip hop" not quik
dre is always the the 1 who's seen as if he's got some magical wand and is the answer to greatness out west

whenever someone talks about the west coast and production, it's made out to be if it ain't by dr. dre then it just ain't happenin'
we all know how funny the industry can be
dre has had a muthafukka like jimmy iovine and ted field in his corner to help him with his brand and fortune
they got money to help promote him on a wide scale and make his this larger than life figure
meanwhile quik don't and because of the independent route, has had more setbacks and struggle. he's limited with reachin' a wider demographic

we know that if you got muthafukka in your corner who can promote and invest in your shyt, then the sky is the limit

It's not exactly like Dre being compared to Quincy Jones is baseless. It has nothing to do with industry politics. Snoop, Eminem, 50, D.O.C. and The Game are all careers that benefited from Dre. They all greatly benefited from Dre. Not only that, but Dre has been a part of iconic albums, not just classic albums, but albums that are iconic. Nobody can take that away from Dre. It's the same way that Quincy Jones has been a major influence in the success of a lot of artists. He's also been a part of iconic albums that he had co-producers and assistance on.

Jimmy Iovine has nothing to do with Dre's perception. There's several producers that Iovine has helped brand. None are stil as revered as Dre.

 

[JustCKing]

Credits for Safe + Sound adapted from Allmusic.[5]

• George Archie - Composer, Drums, Instrumental, Liner Notes, Multi Instruments, Producer, Background Vocals
• Del Atkins - Bass
• Robert Bacon - Bass, Composer, Guitar, Producer
• Darius Barnett - Composer
• Larry Blackmon - Composer
• David Blake - Primary Artist, Producer, Vocals, Bass, Composer, Drum Programming, Drums, Instrumental, Multi Instruments, Strings, Synthesizer, Talk Box
• Courtney Branch - Producer
• Byron Byrd - Composer
• Warryn Campbell - Electric Piano, Strings
• Crystal Cerrano - Vocals, Background Vocals
• George Clinton - Composer
• Kenneth Crouch - Piano, Electric Piano
• Alex Dunbar - Bass
• Dave Foreman - Guitar

• LaSalle Gabriel - Guitar
• Reggie Green - Piano, Background Vocals
• Charles Greene - Flute, Saxophone
• J. J. Jackson - Composer
• Tracy Kendrick - Producer
• Suge Knight - Executive Producer
• Dionne Knighton - Vocals
• K. McCord - Composer
• Marvin McDaniel - Guitar
• Kelton McDonald - Vocals
• Rebecca Meek - Art Direction, Design
• Garry Shider - Vocals
• Norma Vega - Background Vocals
• Crawford Wilkerson - Vocals
• Bernie Worrell - Piano

And this completely obliterates any argument posed in the OP. How do you discredit Dre for having assistance, but then praise Quik when these credits reveal he had lots of assistance as well?

 

[I love Latina women]

It's not exactly like Dre being compared to Quincy Jones is baseless. It has nothing to do with industry politics. Snoop, Eminem, 50, D.O.C. and The Game are all careers that benefited from Dre. They all greatly benefited from Dre. Not only that, but Dre has been a part of iconic albums, not just classic albums, but albums that are iconic. Nobody can take that away from Dre. It's the same way that Quincy Jones has been a major influence in the success of a lot of artists. He's also been a part of iconic albums that he had co-producers and assistance on.

Jimmy Iovine has nothing to do with Dre's perception. There's several producers that Iovine has helped brand. None are stil as revered as Dre.

we gon act like dre workin' with numerous producers over the years and leechin' off their sound ain't had it's benefits for dre? we gone act like jimmy iovine ain't in a position of power where he can call shots and he ain't dre's boss?

naw, bruh. fukk that

 

[JustCKing]

we gon act like dre workin' with numerous producers over the years and leechin' off their sound ain't had it's benefits for dre? we gone act like jimmy iovine ain't in a position of power where he can call shots and he ain't dre's boss?

naw, bruh. fukk that

No, because it's not leeching if both parties benefited from it. If you want to go the route of Daz co-producing songs with Dre, there's no way you can say that his work with Dre isn't his best. Doggystyle and The Chronic are a cut above what Daz did on his own. DJ Yella's best work is NWA albums. What songs produced by Glove are as legendary as the ones as he's done with Dre? Mark Batson wasn't even producing Hip Hop prior to working with Dre. Same goes for Mike Elizondo. Scott Storch before Dr. Dre was a talented keyboardist, and had not yet blossomed into a talented producer. He didn't even have a sound to call his own.

Jimmy Iovine doesn't dictate what people choose to like/dislike, so his position of power is irrelevant.

 

[Jacaveli The Don]

And this completely obliterates any argument posed in the OP. How do you discredit Dre for having assistance, but then praise Quik when these credits reveal he had lots of assistance as well?

Dude, you do realise that the people Quik sampled are listed there, right?
Plus, there are like 7 vocalists listed.
PLUS, even Suge Knight is listed as the executive producer.
Take those away, and you have a core production/musician team of approx 7.

You honestly can't expect 1 person to produce/arrange/mix/play instruments etc by HIMSELF

 

[I love Latina women]

No, because it's not leeching if both parties benefited from it. If you want to go the route of Daz co-producing songs with Dre, there's no way you can say that his work with Dre isn't his best. Doggystyle and The Chronic are a cut above what Daz did on his own. DJ Yella's best work is NWA albums. What songs produced by Glove are as legendary as the ones as he's done with Dre? Mark Batson wasn't even producing Hip Hop prior to working with Dre. Same goes for Mike Elizondo. Scott Storch before Dr. Dre was a talented keyboardist, and had not yet blossomed into a talented producer. He didn't even have a sound to call his own.

Jimmy Iovine doesn't dictate what people choose to like/dislike, so his position of power is irrelevant.

those guys were happy just to be in the game but dre got the credit them nikkas deserved and benefited from it. he absorbed their best years and when their great ideas and talent became redundant dre moved on as he always does and found new nikkas to eat off of

i ain't tryin' to hear it, lol. dre been eatin' off of other nikkas for yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears, bruh

yella, big hutch, daz, sam sneed, mel man, bud'da, mahogany, scott storch, quik, mark batson, focus, and the list goes on

dre is a great engineer and let's leave it at that

 

[JustCKing]

Dude, you do realise that the people Quik sampled are listed there, right?
Plus, there are like 7 vocalists listed.
PLUS, even Suge Knight is listed as the executive producer.
Take those away, and you have a core production/musician team of approx 7.

You honestly can't expect 1 person to produce/arrange/mix/play instruments etc by HIMSELF

This thread attempts to discredit Dre for having assistance. There's other producers listed on that Quik album. A core production/musician team of approx. 7 is around the same amount of people you'd likely find on a Dr. Dre album. It's contradictory to discredit one while praising the other for the same. And of course, I'm not referring to the vocals or who the executive producer, I'm referring to the producers and musicians.

 

[JustCKing]

those guys were happy just to be in the game but dre got the credit them nikkas deserved and benefited from it. he absorbed their best years and when their great ideas and talent became redundant dre moved on as he always does and found new nikkas to eat off of

i ain't tryin' to hear it, lol. dre been eatin' off of other nikkas for yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears, bruh

yella, big hutch, daz, sam sneed, mel man, bud'da, mahogany, scott storch, quik, mark batson, focus, and the list goes on

dre is a great engineer and let's leave it at that

Mark Batson and Mike Elizondo aren't just some random nobodies that were happy to be in the game. They had already played on big albums prior to working with Dre. They just weren't working with Hip Hop artists. He didn't absorb their best years, because some of them went on to do their own thing without Dre. Storch went on to co-produce with Timbaland. Then he started producing records himself. Focus was always his own guy. I'm not even sure if he ever co-produced anything with Dre, because most of his credits, even on Aftermath albums are solo. Mel-Man had solo credits as well.

Most producers have a team whether it be musicians or other producers. Are they leeches as well?

 

[I love Latina women]

Mark Batson and Mike Elizondo aren't just some random nobodies that were happy to be in the game. They had already played on big albums prior to working with Dre. They just weren't working with Hip Hop artists. He didn't absorb their best years, because some of them went on to do their own thing without Dre. Storch went on to co-produce with Timbaland. Then he started producing records himself. Focus was always his own guy. I'm not even sure if he ever co-produced anything with Dre, because most of his credits, even on Aftermath albums are solo. Mel-Man had solo credits as well.

Most producers have a team whether it be musicians or other producers. Are they leeches as well?

you got your opinion and i got mine

most producers have a team to some degree, especially after a number of years of bein' in the game, true. but at the same time dre has always been built up like he the man when it seems like a lot of his success has come from others around him

it just seems to me that dre has often gotten credit for shyt he didn't do. simple as that

 

[JustCKing]

you got your opinion and i got mine

most producers have a team to some degree, especially after a number of years of bein' in the game, true. but at the same time dre has always been built up like he the man when it seems like a lot of his success has come from others around him

it just seems to me that dre has often gotten credit for shyt he didn't do. simple as that

I get that, but I still fail to see what this has to with Quik. I mean you could make a case for Quik without even mentioning Dr. Dre. Yes, people put Dre over Quik, but much of it has nothing to do with talent and more to do with the albums and artists that Dre has helped develop over the years. Even if Dre had assistance, the legacies of NWA, The Chronic, Doggystyle, 2001 can't be denied. No, he wasn't the sole creator, but he is the common thread in the creation of all of those albums.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

And this completely obliterates any argument posed in the OP. How do you discredit Dre for having assistance, but then praise Quik when these credits reveal he had lots of assistance as well?

only 3 ppl quik went to in his entire career production wise..robert bacon n g-one george archie...they have always got their credit...


majority of the ppl listed are all on 3 songs...













larry blackmon clinton..all got production credit instead of samplin credit..

suge showed quik to how to get the most bang for his buck...and everybody ate..kuz suge negotiated a deal so quik could his 20million back..so they was hittin a lick..



u will see the same 3 ppl on quik album gettin production credit...

courttney branch n tracy kendricks...co-executive produce quik albums....because they was down with profile from day one...after safe n sound..u hardly seen their names ever again after he went to arista..the last album they showed up on was balance n options

 

[ManBearPig]

DJ Premier even had Guru co-producing a lot of his best beats.

Dre had help... "OH NO, WHAT A CHEATER!"

 

[I love Latina women]

I get that, but I still fail to see what this has to with Quik. I mean you could make a case for Quik without even mentioning Dr. Dre. Yes, people put Dre over Quik, but much of it has nothing to do with talent and more to do with the albums and artists that Dre has helped develop over the years. Even if Dre had assistance, the legacies of NWA, The Chronic, Doggystyle, 2001 can't be denied. No, he wasn't the sole creator, but he is the common thread in the creation of all of those albums.

because while dre is the 1 gettin' all the props and accolades. there's a "there can only be 1 king" frame of mind in the business, and quik gets the cold shoulder but meanwhile he's the one 1 from the west who's been the most consistent and really puttin' in work on the boards while dre just sits back and rides other nikkas' styles and coattails

 

[hex]

And this completely obliterates any argument posed in the OP. How do you discredit Dre for having assistance, but then praise Quik when these credits reveal he had lots of assistance as well?

Read what @shopthatwrecks said.

David Blake (aka Quik) is given the largest list of credits on the album. The vast majority of those other people are musicians. You want Quik to play the flute?

Dre has always had a "rap tier" producer to help him. In addition to all the other shyt Quik has. Quik ain't ever had a Mel Man, or a Daz, or a Scott Storch, or been accused of jacking a sound, like ATL and G-funk.

And ironically Quik actually did the drums for "In Da Club" and Dre got all the credit for that song. That's the kind of shyt @stomachlines is talking about.

Fred.