So no thread on the Congo War?

[Techniec]

Islam isnt involved, youll be lucky to hit 2 pages

I posted an article about the capture of Goma, shyt sunk like the titanic

 

[Binary]

Well it'd benefit them much more than Afghanistan ever did. I don't think your seeing just how much money could and would be made by all those different resources.

So why aren't they there?

 

[Binary]

Merica doesn't go to war for oil sounds like you're stuck in the mindfukk of the Bush Years.

Not really lmao, I feel like oil still has something to do with it

 

[the next guy]

Congo needs our help - CNN.com

(CNN) -- Some of the bravest people I know are cowering today in eastern Congo, wondering where their supporters are. While our daily news zeroes in on Syria and Gaza, the fiscal cliff and Christmas sales, our friends in the war-ravaged part of the immense, mineral-rich Democratic Republic of the Congo are once again convulsed in a conflict they did not choose.

A resident from Goma, in North Kivu province, who for security reasons must not be named, sent me a heartbreaking e-mail accompanied by a photo taken by The Associated Press' Jerome Delay. It shows a tiny girl leading a long line of displaced women who carry enormous loads on their backs, a look of utter desperation on her face as tears stream down her cheeks.

The e-mail says, "This girl is a future mother, barely four years old and she must walk many kilometers due to the attack on her village. She cries, but who is listening? No one takes care of her, no one to console her. Her mother can't help because she is carrying their entire household's possessions on her back. Just one attack on this column of displaced people and she will find herself alone in the jungle. We only ask for peace. It's unacceptable that we deny her the chance to grow up and become a mother one day."

 

[tru_m.a.c]

So why aren't they there?

the threat of nukes and chemicals tips the scale

thats why syria just gets labeled as a back pocket civil war

 

[Binary]

the threat of nukes and chemicals tips the scale

thats why syria just gets labeled as a back pocket civil war

Ahhh, makes sense.

 

[Techniec]

its fukin mindboggling how many people have died in this conflict

meanwhile those belgians are sitting quiet like

 

[thekingsmen]

I haven't seen any evidence to support what you're saying.

You looking for anything on the web other than stories about muslims isn't believable. You aren't even looking.

 

[the next guy]

its fukin mindboggling how many people have died in this conflict

meanwhile those belgians are sitting quiet like

They claim they have no power.

 

[the next guy]

can this be stickied?

UK withholds Rwanda aid over claims it backs Congo rebels - CNN.com

(CNN) -- Britain is withholding a multimillion-dollar aid payment to Rwanda over allegations that it is backing rebels who have been fighting government forces in neighboring Democratic Republic of the Congo, a minister said Friday.

The M23 rebel group seized the city of Goma in eastern DR Congo 10 days ago after days of heavy clashes with government forces.

Read more: Why the world is ignoring Congo war

Since then, regional leaders and the African Union have drawn up a plan under which the fighters would withdraw. But despite indicating that they would leave, M23 forces remained in Goma on Friday.

"The government has already set out its concerns over credible and compelling reports of Rwandan involvement with M23 in DRC," Justine Greening, Britain's international development secretary, said in a statement.

 

[Techniec]

I asked this before, and Im wondering if some of the African brothers can answer this...why is Kagame willing to risk his reputation to back M23 and other rebels in the east?

is it tutsi love/hutu hatred? or is it simply economical?

i know rwandans got this greater rwanda narrative going on

 

[theworldismine13]

To Save Congo, Let It Fall Apart - NYTimes.com

 

[TrueEpic08]

To Save Congo, Let It Fall Apart - NYTimes.com

Quite possibly the most naive article on an internal African conflict I've ever read...unless the implicit message is "leave the minerals for the grown ups in the international sphere to be concerned with;" in that context it just becomes abhorrent.

Is this man really so stupid to think that Rwanda, the U.S., businesses already profiteering off of tantalum based minerals and ores (among other metals) and the surrounding states won't take notice of this, and instead will just turn their backs and let the country sort everything out? Like they've turned their backs and let the country sort this civil war out...If this were to be done, you'd be dooming the state to the same exact fate that it has now.

But then again, this IS a guy who's been using his status to attempt to impede the self determination of an entire populace in Western Sahara.

As for Tecniec's question...I'd say (and this is just a postulation) that it's related to Kagame's political situation in Rwanda, as well as the history of intervention in DRC affairs since Uganda and Rwandan forces helped overthrow Mobutu Sese Seko in 1996-1997. To the second point, millions of Hutus fled the country, a large amount of them to the DRC after the Rwandan Genocide, pursued by forces led by Kagame, creating a huge refugee population there. About half returned (600,000 from the DRC), which, naturally, led to serious destabilization within the country. Related to that (and to the first point) is the lack of political freedom within Rwanda itself. Kagame's regime is repressive of the press, political dissent and extrajudicial and politically motivated murders. Kagame essentially treats his government as a State of Exception, for the good of his allies only.

So yeah, this is a way of him deflecting a problem within his own country, as well as a fear of invasion by a country whose affairs he's been meddling in for 16 years running now.

(This is, of course, the extremely simplified version of events.)

 

[Techniec]

As for Tecniec's question...I'd say (and this is just a postulation) that it's related to Kagame's political situation in Rwanda, as well as the history of intervention in DRC affairs since Uganda and Rwandan forces helped overthrow Mobutu Sese Seko in 1996-1997. To the second point, millions of Hutus fled the country, a large amount of them to the DRC after the Rwandan Genocide, pursued by forces led by Kagame, creating a huge refugee population there. About half returned (600,000 from the DRC), which, naturally, led to serious destabilization within the country. Related to that (and to the first point) is the lack of political freedom within Rwanda itself. Kagame's regime is repressive of the press, political dissent and extrajudicial and politically motivated murders. Kagame essentially treats his government as a State of Exception, for the good of his allies only.

So yeah, this is a way of him deflecting a problem within his own country, as well as a fear of invasion by a country whose affairs he's been meddling in for 16 years running now.

(This is, of course, the extremely simplified version of events.)

Thanks for the response bruh. I have some more questions for ya, if you dont mind answering them as best as possible. We dont have many knowledgeble African posters on this forum:

1- Has Kagames internal repression been strictly political (against those who oppose him) or is there an ethnic element to it? (ie Hutus coming back and facing severe discrimination)

2- What is the extent of cross border ethnic ties? Are there Hutus AND Tutsis who live in eastern Congo? One or the other? and how fluid are the cross border ties?

3- Are Uganda and Rwanda on the same page re interference in the Congo?

 

[emoney]

can the TS or mod change the title to the "Official Congo Conflict thread" as well as make it a sticky?

It's only fair, as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an official thread and stickied at the top of the page. Other conflicts that are going on should get similar attention if we are diversify the type of discussions we have on here.