so Mitt said Tesla Motors is a "loser"

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they're public? :ohhh:

An Update from Elon Musk | Blog | Tesla Motors

1. In discussions with the DOE, Tesla has never asked for or even hinted at postponing repayment of the loan. We did suggest that holding nine months worth of principal payments in *advance* in a reserved account was a bit extreme and, moreover, was never part of our original loan agreement. The DOE agreed and reduced the advance payment reserve account to six months. At the risk of being repetitive: Tesla has always made its DOE payments on time and has never asked to delay repayment ever. I don't know how to state this more clearly.

2. The DOE's desire for advance payment of the overall loan stems from a concern that is the complete opposite of what many assume. The DOE believes Tesla will be highly successful and accumulate a large amount of cash, but that we may then choose not to pay off the loan any sooner than is currently required. Far from being worried about our survival, the DOE is highly bullish about our future and doesn't want us to delay early repayment of the loan if we have the cash on hand to do so.

The DOE has simply asked if we would be willing to repay the loan early if we have excess cash. The answer is unequivocally yes and I am happy to announce that we will be initiating an advance payment today to prefund the principal payment that is due in March 2013. The purpose of the DOE Advanced Technology Manufacturing Program was to serve as a catalyst for accelerating sustainable transport technology, which is in the best interests of all Americans and ultimately people throughout the world. In the case of Tesla, the result has been a resurgence in American manufacturing ability and the creation of over 3500 high quality jobs. Nonetheless, we have a duty at Tesla, having accepted this loan as a portion of our capital, to repay it at the earliest opportunity. We will do exactly that.

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do they have a commercially viable product?

I used to see those Teslas quite often here in the Silicon Valley.

I rarely see them now.
 

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Tesla hasn't earned a profit...the owner is rich enough to be able to absorb the loss. He also didn't focus on a marketing plan implementation in the beginning and hardly hired any staff he has since made better strides on those fronts
 

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The cars are too expensive, no one wants them

Elon musk gets as much government $$ as any business man... He really knows how to pimp the system
 

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Why give a loan to an electric car company when you can give no-strings attached billions to Exxon, right?
Exxon doesn't get billions no-strings attached. You'll have to prove that.

Just replace "electric car company" with "solar energy panel company", "billions" with "millions" and 'Exxon' with "Solyndra" and you have Obama's solution.
 

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Exxon doesn't get billions no-strings attached. You'll have to prove that.

Just replace "electric car company" with "solar energy panel company", "billions" with "millions" and 'Exxon' with "Solyndra" and you have Obama's solution.

do they get billions in tax breaks or not?

Obama's department of energy gave Tesla, one of the most innovative and vital american companies, a tiny loan that it's paying back EARLY. This is not a "loser" pick.
 

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this is annoying me more than a middle east thread. How can y'all be so cloistered? Fukking Wall Street and GM gets orgiastic amounts of money and a loan to Tesla is a "loser" GTFOH.
 

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this is annoying me more than a middle east thread. How can y'all be so cloistered? Fukking Wall Street and GM gets orgiastic amounts of money and a loan to Tesla is a "loser" GTFOH.

All 3 of them are losers. Tesla is the more "righteous" loser. . . But it's still a loser, so there's nothing wrong with calling it that.
 

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All 3 of them are losers. Tesla is the more "righteous" loser. . . But it's still a loser, so there's nothing wrong with calling it that.

when the loan is paid back within an year (or a few months more)--will you retract that claim or continue to be clueless? When the company is still around 5 years later? This "loser" claim needs to be falsifiable. What's your benchmark?
 
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