So is every NBA Championship going to have an asterisk now?

[prophecypro]

Care to explain why?

Im speaking partly in jehst but I would say those are the only ones where injuries and certain circumstances might have actually affected who won the title directly that year and depending on how Miluakee do next year, maybe they're only chance.
I suppose you could say the Warriors in 2015 too, but they were a 67 win team and they won other titles or came close so I feel like they were gonna win anyway. I dont think the 2012 Heat lose the title cause of D Rose injury,they probably handle him again.

 

[Osmosis]

The injured teams and players can not complain.
As giannis ramped when others failed.
when they were the lone superstar versus opposition.


Kd dolo = fail
Bron dolo = fail
Pg dolo = fail
Joker dolo = fail

Art Barr

KD played with Joe Harris, Bruce Brown and Blake Griffin
Bron played with KCP, Schroeder, and Kuzma
PG played with Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris and Terrence Mann
Joker played with Campazzo, MPJ and Aaron Gordon
Giannis played with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Which player had the best supporting cast?

 

[steph_harden]

there's no asterisk next to any of this. the problem is people lack the objectivity to contextualize shyt, and they make asinine comparisons.


For instance, when Kawhi won, the narrative was that he not only won on a small market Raptors team, but he did what Lebron couldn't do and ended the Warriors reign..



sounds good, but it completely dismisses the fact Klay tore his ACL mid series and KD played like 3 minutes total. That OBVIOUSLY effected the outcome. No, that doesn't mean there's an asterisk next to it, but you cannot take the result of that series and try to compare it to Lebrons Cavs vs The Superfriends to somehow downplay what Lebron was able to accomplish. Cant make these overzealous claims without pointing out what's literally fukking obvious.



Learn how to contextualize. Stop jumping out the window with wins and losses. It's not black and white, there's a million moving parts.

Bron already had beaten the Warriors…so I don’t see that one. Plus the Warriors were down 3-1 before Klay even got hurt. If it wasn’t for that Herculean effort…heart of a champ effort by them in the last min they woulda been done in 5. Matterfact they would have been done but Nurse called a weird ass timeout icing a red hot Kawhi.

So all in all Klay getting hurt didn’t move the needle in that series…and it’s prob a 7 game series with KD

 

[Rekkapryde]

Asterisk shyt only a real thing in Social media.

 

[nieman]

Asterisk shyt only a real thing in Social media.

Baseball loves their asterisks.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Baseball loves their asterisks.

Cacs

 

[Greenhornet]

I'm all for saying fukk it ... titles are titles

but past the injuries which I'll ignore

championships just dont seem to hold weight cause everyone is changing teams too much
like Suns could grab a whole new set of dudes and make it back soon... but its not the same suns we just watched
teams dont really have identity ... its not like "Oh lets fukk Dirk up and kick dallas the fukk out of here"
its more like "where is dirk gonna play with and who with this year?.... hopefully he doesnt play with a team thats already close to winning"

you keep KD on OKC and its more fun and he wins less.... you keep Lebron in Cleveland and its more fun and he wins less. We already know both of them are great... I'm not trying to see them bounce around to better situations. Same with James Harden, people can hate but he's an exceptional player... he made watching Houston fun.
I'm not on that Giannis is king of the world bullshyt but I do love him, its because he made the NBA feel real and exciting.

that goes with people saying injuries are "part of the game" if they were... you wouldnt want to see people team up either. You would believe Lillard has just as much of a chance yearly as Zion or Luka

 

[Larry]

Bron already had beaten the Warriors…so I don’t see that one. Plus the Warriors were down 3-1 before Klay even got hurt. If it wasn’t for that Herculean effort…heart of a champ effort by them in the last min they woulda been done in 5. Matterfact they would have been done but Nurse called a weird ass timeout icing a red hot Kawhi.

So all in all Klay getting hurt didn’t move the needle in that series…and it’s prob a 7 game series with KD

KD’s Warriors and the Warriors LeBron beat weren’t the same Warriors


Neither were the warriors Kawhi beat, but we ignore that

 

[KFBF]

Just the last two.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

KD played with Joe Harris, Bruce Brown and Blake Griffin
Bron played with KCP, Schroeder, and Kuzma
PG played with Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris and Terrence Mann
Joker played with Campazzo, MPJ and Aaron Gordon
Giannis played with Holiday, Lopez and Middleton

Which player had the best supporting cast?

Obviously giannis cuz they won lol but pg definitely had some good guys too

 

[SlurRty]

Those superstars kd, bron, pg are supposed to also ramp.
Including ramp up the supporting casts entirely.
Plus, create the energy.
for the supporting cast to finally express the confidence and resulting play.
To finally play up.
You are excusing all those superstars names for dolo.
Who failed dolo.
Plus failed to ramp his teammates to execute and win dolo.

Mike was dolo and ramped his teams to execute and win.
Kobe was dolo and ramped his team to win.

What was all these other guys issues?

They ultimately missed the big lesson.
in being a superstar in a team environment.
Which is at the very end of the day to secure a title.
You still will have to ramp.
Then on top of ramping individually.
You will also have to ramp a group and supporting casts members in said group, grassroots.
Plus, significant members of that group.
as your supoorting cast and get them to play up.
Plus execute above and beyond.
Their atypical professional playing level to win a title.
Of which those superstars you requoted
Originally i listed are atypically not able to do.
Unless sent or through front office overmanipulation.
Create or run to a free agent constructed superteam.

Those players you listed have higher player pedigrees in general all around.
Yet have overmanipulated the team roster. With key gimmick flaws in team roster construction. Then overmanipulate and overcomplicate said roster. Where none of the working parts can ever truly ramp.
past the acquired freeagent super team free agent superstars.


You are trying to create an argument for players.
who also created why they failed.
Then trying to excuse them and their lack of bball iq wholeheartedly from play to fo intangibles of why they failed.
Which is failing to acknowledge.
Plus failing to accept.
Accountability.

Sorry but Not goin.



Art Barr

How did Giannis create energy? His teammates were veterans who stepped up at the right time. Name another superstar who had that? Did CJ Mcollum play great? Did Drummond or Harrel or Schroeder play great? I'm just being practical.. this many a level players hurt in the playoffs is a rarity and Giannis greatly benefitted from it.. Facts are facts bro

 

[SlurRty]

Reggie Jackson or you talking those pacers teams for pg? For kd them boys wasn’t ready for the moment they were used to kyrie and harden doing all the heavy work

He did well (Reggie Jackson) but PG aint play up to this name every game. How can you say they weren't ready when 2 of your top 3 players were hurt. Take middleton out and put barely moveable Jrue Holiday along with just Giannis.. how far is this bucks team really going?

 

[SlurRty]

The injured teams and players can not complain.
As giannis ramped when others failed.
when they were the lone superstar versus opposition.


Kd dolo = fail
Bron dolo = fail
Pg dolo = fail
Joker dolo = fail

Art Barr

I'm not mad... I'm just saying no basketball player had it as easy as Giannis this playoffs. A lot of A-List players were not playing and that has to be accounted for.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

He did well (Reggie Jackson) but PG aint play up to this name every game. How can you say they weren't ready when 2 of your top 3 players were hurt. Take middleton out and put barely moveable Jrue Holiday along with just Giannis.. how far is this bucks team really going?

1st round lol, the nets bench guys weren’t ready but that’s steve nash fault he should have played them a lot more to prepare them for something like that. Remember when d rose tore his acl we instantly collapsed they weren’t prepared to play without em

 

[SlurRty]

1st round lol, the nets bench guys weren’t ready but that’s steve nash fault he should have played them a lot more to prepare them for something like that. Remember when d rose tore his acl we instantly collapsed they weren’t prepared to play without em

Nah the real reason they lost is James Harden.. you pay the guy all that money, he better play. But he was like 65% he couldn't run and he already doesn't play defense, and he chokes come playoff time.. but he tried and he played big minutes on one hamstring. Someone on the staff should have saw that and put in more spry bench players.. I think his name is mike james .. lightskin dude back up he should have gotten more time but james harden ate his minutes up