So instead of figuring out why teachers are leaving, Arizona said screw it. AZ no longer requires a degree to teach students.

[the cac mamba]

This sort of complete disrespect for how difficult teaching is and how much preparation and training it requires is a big part of the reason that the quality of education has fallen so far in America.

isnt it at least possible that you can teach without having gone to college?

im trying to muster the outrage on this one, and i just cant do it

 

[Ozymandeas]

Oh, my holy God... nikkas that can't tell a grapheme from a phoneme STAY saying dumb shyt.

So what’s your big idea, dufus? There’s no funding, teachers are quitting in mass and the state is breathing down their back to find a solution. What’s your plan? You obviously don’t manage anything since you clearly don’t understand that there’s constraints.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

IDK how I feel about it yet but, this sounds like an overreaction. They're not dumb. They're not going to have a fresh high school grad teaching high school. They'll probably put them in kindergarten or elementary school and lets be honest, anybody can do that.

This sort of complete disrespect for how difficult teaching is and how much preparation and training it requires is a big part of the reason that the quality of education has fallen so far in America.

isnt it at least possible that you can teach without having gone to college?

im trying to muster the outrage on this one, and i just cant do it

Why did you quote my reply to him in order to make that comment? Your comment has NOTHING to do with what I was replying to.

I never said, "It's impossible for someone to teach well without a college degree". If I believed that then I would have taken issue with Dora's comment #25, which is actually nuanced. But I was replying to the guy who said that ANYBODY can teach elementary school. Which is a ridiculous and unhelpful claim. That's why I directly put "anybody can do that" in italics when I responded.

You stay with the disingenuous arguments.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So what’s your big idea, dufus? There’s no funding, teachers are quitting in mass and the state is breathing down their back to find a solution. What’s your plan? You obviously don’t manage anything since you clearly don’t understand that there’s constraints.

There is a LOT of available funding in Arizona. They aren't some poor state, they could easily increase education funding if they wanted to. And there are other things besides increased funding that they could do to improve the teaching shortage, though most of them are long-term fixes (but this is a long-term problem - as the article says it goes back 25 years or more).

The issue is that the Republican legislature and Republican governor, when given the decision to choose between either passing a bill for more funding or passing a bill for lower standards, chose to lower standards. And that is only going to make things worse without doing jack shyt to improve the teaching shortage in the long run. It will almost certainly mean that MORE aspiring teachers end up quitting early, without adding any actual new aspiring teachers to the pipeline (they're just starting a couple years earlier), and degrading the prestige of the teaching profession even further which will keep more people away.

You said "the state is breathing down their neck to find a solution". Who the fukk is "the state"? It's literally the Republican governor that came up with this shytty-ass "solution", not the school districts.

 

[NZA]

i can tell you from personal experience that some of the schools in arizona cannot afford to lower the standards any more than they already are. in that case, you might as well be raised by wolves.

 

[NZA]

let me also add that the ghetto schools of phoenix need teachers with even higher training and skill because they are having to balance social issues with academics. my neighborhood had large numbers of undocumented immigrants and students who had english as a second language. in order to not short-change american born black and brown kids, the teachers have to make sure not limit the curriculum to whatever is easiest to teach. they still have to make sure that we are grade appropriate even though our language levels are different.

my school didnt handle it very well and my principle decided to have me skip 7th grade so i wouldn't be too harmed by the learning environment

 

[RageKage]

disgusting

 

[1thouwow]

The unqualified teaching the uneducated

 

[88m3]

wrong thread

 

[Maxine Shaw]

The unqualified teaching the uneducated

And believe me, this will NOT be happening in the white districts. Hell, the richer the district, the more education is required. My district used to require a master's degree w/i 10 years of hire. They finally dropped that requirement when they realized that all of the teachers who were earning master's degrees were going to work in white districts.

isnt it at least possible that you can teach without having gone to college?

Would you want your child to be taught by someone with no certification, no training and no degree?

So what’s your big idea, dufus?

Don't call me something that you can't even spell, you ignorant fukk.

Here's a dumb idea from someone WITH a Master of Education who's been in the trenches for over a decade: pay qualified teachers what they're worth and give them the support they need. Do this and we won't HAVE this problem. Only a no-standard having fukk like you would think something is okay with this.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

ThEY'lL pRobaBLY pUT THeM iN kindeRGArtEn oR eLEMentARY ScHOOL And leTs BE hoNesT, ANYBOdy CAn do tHAt.

Let's put your money where your mouth is, DOOFUS, since "anybody" can be an elementary school teacher.

EC-6 practice questions for the certification exam...also known as the reason why I switched to 4-8th grade certification. 100 questions w/a 240/300 to pass (80%)

Preparation Manual

www.tx.nesinc.com

Science of Teaching Reading (required for EC-6th grade teaching)

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

ESL (ALSO required for EC-6 Texas teachers; AZ probably has an equivalent):

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

PPR exam (required for all teachers)

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

So! In order for "anybody" be an elementary school teacher - and mind you, this is the road for people who already have a bachelor's degree - one must complete an alt cert program (usually a minimum of about $4000) and pass about three exams before they even go into a classroom (the ESL exam can be delayed. Did I mention those exams cost about $120 PER TEST?) Then teaching interns either teach on a probationary license for a year (rare) or for a minimum of one semester for no pay (the usual option). Idiots like @Ozymandeas want to pile that level of work on top of students who are taking their undergraduate college classes at the same time.

And mind you, I haven't said a word about actually TEACHING CHILDREN yet! The lesson planning, the ARD meetings, the accommodations for SPED/IEP students, the ENDLESS fukkery from parents, the continuing education...I could go on all day.

Putting college students - not even GRADUATES, for fukk's sake! - in the classroom to teach is a nightmare of an idea that will only be an option in the poorest, brownest schools in the state. Meanwhile, white students will get teachers like me - highly educated, long-term veterans with graduate degree and specialist endorsements (librarian, diagnostician, reading specialist, etc.). You know, the kind of teachers that the poorest and brownest kids SHOULD be getting when they wound up with "anybody". The only way this is acceptable is if the undergrad is in college specifically for education/teaching and has a proper internship w/a proper mentor teacher before being handed the reins.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Let's put your money where your mouth is, DOOFUS, since "anybody" can be an elementary school teacher.

EC-6 practice questions for the certification exam...also known as the reason why I switched to 4-8th grade certification. 100 questions w/a 240/300 to pass (80%)

Preparation Manual

www.tx.nesinc.com

Science of Teaching Reading (required for EC-6th grade teaching)

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

ESL (ALSO required for EC-6 Texas teachers; AZ probably has an equivalent):

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

PPR exam (required for all teachers)

Preparation Manual: Section 3: Overview and Exam Framework

www.tx.nesinc.com

So! In order for "anybody" be an elementary school teacher - and mind you, this is the road for people who already have a bachelor's degree - one must complete an alt cert program (usually a minimum of about $4000) and pass about three exams before they even go into a classroom (the ESL exam can be delayed. Did I mention those exams cost about $120 PER TEST?) Then teaching interns either teach on a probationary license for a year (rare) or for a minimum of one semester for no pay (the usual option). Idiots like @Ozymandeas want to pile that level of work on top of students who are taking their undergraduate college classes at the same time.

And mind you, I haven't said a word about actually TEACHING CHILDREN yet! The lesson planning, the ARD meetings, the accommodations for SPED/IEP students, the ENDLESS fukkery from parents, the continuing education...I could go on all day.

Putting college students - not even GRADUATES, for fukk's sake! - in the classroom to teach is a nightmare of an idea that will only be an option in the poorest, brownest schools in the state. Meanwhile, white students will get teachers like me - highly educated, long-term veterans with graduate degree and specialist endorsements (librarian, diagnostician, reading specialist, etc.). You know, the kind of teachers that the poorest and brownest kids SHOULD be getting when they wound up with "anybody". The only way this is acceptable is if the undergrad is in college specifically for education/teaching and has a proper internship w/a proper mentor teacher before being handed the reins.

You didn’t answer my question. You went into a pointless and unnecessarily long diatribe. I asked what would be your solution? They don’t have the funding to pay teachers higher salaries, the teachers they have are quitting in droves, and the state is pushing them to find results. WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? That’s why you’re a dufus. You would sound dumb as hell in a meeting saying this nonsense when someone asked you a point blank question. You have never been in charge of any direct reports or any departments since you clearly have no concept of budget constraints.

And everything you posted was nonsense. All of that can be satisfied with training courses and two year programs. People work in much more critical industries without Bachelor’s Degrees. They’re hiring people to fly commercial airliners without diplomas. They can hire elementary school teachers and train them. Especially when the other option is having a dearth of teachers. Which you cant seem to get through your thick skull. FOH.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

You didn’t answer my question.

I absolutely answered your question in post #40. If you need help with reading comprehension, I - unlike you - am educated in, trained in and qualified as a reading interventionist and will be happy to break this into smaller chunks.

That’s why you’re a dufus.

And you still can't spell for shyt.

And everything you posted was nonsense. All of that can be satisfied with training courses and two year programs.

Didn't make it past the first five questions, did you?

People work in much more critical industries without Bachelor’s Degrees.

And who, pray tell, educates those people before they go out into the world to make way more than we do? What critical jobs can be done well without a proper education?

They’re hiring people to fly commercial airliners without diplomas. They can hire elementary school teachers and train them. Especially when the other option is having a dearth of teachers. Which you cant seem to get through your thick skull. FOH.

I know you see no problem with lowering standards and accepting the bare-assed minimum standards for being an educator - it's obvious in your responses that your teachers were also of low quality - but some of us aspire for more stringent standards in our educators.

As for a dearth of educators, that's just a lie. There are plenty of teachers out there ready, willing and able to do the job...just not under the current circumstances. GOOD FOR THEM! I applaud it. There is more than enough money in every state budget to pay teachers a proper wage. Lowering the standards - rather than raising the wages - is an attitude usually held by Republicans and low-expectation having motherfukkers like you. But if some high school graduate with minimal college education and no experience was teaching the children you love, you'd shyt a brick and we both know it.

Your problem, DOOFUS, is that you don't respect education as an actual profession, which is why you feel "anybody" can do it, at least on the elementary school level. But there's a reason why educators know this is a horrible idea, while non-educators don't see the problem.

 

[88m3]

Are there no teaching colleges in Arizona?

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Of course Florida had to bite

Veterans can now teach in Florida with no degree. School leaders say it 'lowers the bar'

A new Florida education program lets military veterans and their partners become teachers for five years without a bachelor's degree.

www.usatoday.com

potential solution to a statewide teacher shortage issue has education leaders feeling as though Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration is undermining the qualifications of classroom instructors.

Last week, the Florida Department of Education announced that military veterans, as well as their spouses, would receive a five-year voucher that allows them to teach in the classroom despite not receiving a degree to do so. It's a move tied to the $8.6 million the state announced would be used to expand career and workforce training opportunities for military veterans and their spouses.

"There are many people who have gone through many hoops and hurdles to obtain a proper teaching certificate," said Carmen Ward, president of the Alachua County teachers union. "(Educators) are very dismayed that now someone with just a high school education can pass the test and can easily get a five-year temporary certificate."

Here's how to help your child:Early elementary reading skills can impact future success.

Georgia elementary school: Some argue new logo of an 'eagle soaring' looks like a Nazi symbol.

On June 9, the Florida Legislature passed a bill that gave the approval for military members, both former and present, and their spouses to teach. Reserve military members count, as well.

Teacher candidates must have a minimum of 60 college credits with a 2.5 GPA, and also must receive a passing score on the FLDOE subject area examination for bachelor’s level subjects.

Veterans must have a minimum of 48 months of military service completed with honorable/medical discharge. If hired by a school district, they have to have a teaching mentor.