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:heh: @ anyone thinking the GOP has ultimate leverage in the debt ceiling negotiations.

So basically they're going to go before the nation and announce "give us massive cuts/changes to Medicare & SS or else we're going to default and wreck the world economy"


Yeah good luck with that GOP. :pachaha:

That may sound crazy, but we are talking about crazy people. :usure:
 

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That may sound crazy, but we are talking about crazy people. :usure:

True, but the major difference now is that Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election, he can be bold as he wanna be...the same can't be said about most of the Repubs.

If he takes to the bully pulpit and pound them nikkas...the non-crazies in the party will fold, just like they did here.
 

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Lol and don't forget these are the same people Obama decided to give a raise to before Christmas.

Dude just bends over constantly.
 

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Get the fukk out of here with this tap dancing.

Where is the compromising on the drone issues? Where is the compromising on the Justice Department working hand and hand with banks to bring down legal protesters?

That's the thing you guys don't understand and why the Democratic party will keep inching towards the right.

It's a tug war match and the rope has been pulled all the way to the right. You dudes see a victory when you temporarily pull the rope an inch or two to the left.
drones: in 2008, obama said we were not fighting afghanistan hard enough, i assumed that meant he would try to kill more people there if elected. seems like he kept his promise...

banks: now that part is fukked up. i always assume the FBI does what it can to destroy radical movements, but i assumed they would just do it with the old school COINTELPRO way, but this way is actually more troubling in some ways.

tug of war: i dont know why this is aimed at me, sounds like this is aimed at some general obama voter. i will say that my political views are mostly cynical, slightly nihilistic, and at best incremental in my left leaning ideology, so i have always known that when i voted, i was voting for a winning ticket that was merely what i perceived to be the best of the worst. im not the guy who saw a relatively young half black guy who worked in chicago and started projecting all kinds of kumbayah onto him as i drove a prius down to the polling place. i treat him the way i treated clinton and bush. i blame them for things that come squarely from themselves, and blame the process for the things it produces.

obama splits the baby. like it or hate it, that's what he does. i dont like it, but i accepted it if it meant a more left leaning administration in comparison to what the tea party was offering.
 

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:heh: @ anyone thinking the GOP has ultimate leverage in the debt ceiling negotiations.

So basically they're going to go before the nation and announce "give us massive cuts/changes to Medicare & SS or else we're going to default and wreck the world economy"


Yeah good luck with that GOP. :pachaha:
That's exactly what they're doing.

What I don't understand is, why a President & staff that is so connected digitally and socially can't take the time to release a plain English explanation of what's at stake.

Give the people something viral to put the Right under pressure.
 

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:heh: @ anyone thinking the GOP has ultimate leverage in the debt ceiling negotiations.

So basically they're going to go before the nation and announce "give us massive cuts/changes to Medicare & SS or else we're going to default and wreck the world economy"


Yeah good luck with that GOP. :pachaha:

word life. I just posted this in the fiscal cliff thread

Brehs, the Dems are brilliant. We all know they want to raise taxes on everyone (Ive heard a Dem strategist on CNN saying "We need to raise taxes on everyone"), so if we do go over the cliff, they get what they want and they can still blame republicans. Raised taxes and no cuts in SS or medicaid.

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Reusing this but....

Guys, let's get real here.

What did we get?

Unemployment extension for a year.
A permanent tax cut for the middle class.
A permanent tax raise on individuals making over 400k.
Extension of the child tax credit.
Extension of the college tuition credit.
Capital gains rate raised to 20% (23.8% in effect with Obamacare).

What did Boehner get?

People making between 250k-400k won't have their taxes raised.

And that's it. Are you really willing to play chicken with two million people's livelihoods just to get an extra 100 or 200 billion in revenue over 10 years by keeping the bracket at 250k? Really guys? You're going to stall unemployment checks to families just for some chump change? That's some Republican rigidity right there.

Take a second to realize that if this deal goes through, we'll have gotten Republicans to vote for raising taxes. Also realize that there was no way in a million years that Congress would have ever given the President control of the debt ceiling--that was always a pipe dream that no amount of leverage could have gotten. That is one of the few tools the Congress has to counteract the executive branch. If you want it, you're going to have to pry it from their cold, dead hands. This debt ceiling battle coming up is inevitable.

And we still have the Republicans by the balls by not addressing the spending cuts in the defense budget in a few months. Their sacred cow is still on the chopping block while we've gotten 90% of what we wanted off it.


Originally Posted by LA Times said:
As the price for lifting those defense cuts, White House officials have said, the president will demand another round of revenue increases through closing tax loopholes and other measures. That would bring the overall revenue total close to what Obama had originally wanted — if he can prevail.

Obama made that point himself, in an afternoon statement that sought to reassure restive Democrats that he would not allow Republicans to push through a deal with only spending cuts.

"If Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone," he said, "that's not how it's going to work."

"Revenues have to be part of the equation in turning off the sequester, in eliminating these automatic spending cuts," he said.

But we don't even know for sure that the House will even go for all of this. "We could have gotten more" is going to look rather silly if House Republicans shoot this deal down.
 

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Obama and the Democrats are laughing at the deal they just made...the Republicans got nothing!

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I am a Republican...but the Republicans may be the worst negotiators in history!
 
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Exactly.

This is just the state of the Democratic Party since Reagan. They get bossed around constantly, and what makes it worse is the people defending it as some sort of honorable thing.

60 million people were comfortable with the idea of Sarah Palin being a McCain heart attack away from the presidency --- republicans know they have the anti-Obama political capital to convince a sizable chunk of Americans that downgrading our credit, AGAIN, is another pro-American response to blacky-mc-black man president spending white people's hard earned money and giving it to the new black panthers party, only to ask for more with a restructured, progressive tax code. Obama can't strong arm the legislative wing of our govt. --- are you aware of our checks and balances? What exactly do you want Obama to do? This isnt a rap battle. He's dealing with maniacs.
 

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I think people are forgetting how important it is to get our debt down...
 

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60 million people were comfortable with the idea of Sarah Palin being a McCain heart attack away from the presidency --- republicans know they have the anti-Obama political capital to convince a sizable chunk of Americans that downgrading our credit, AGAIN, is another pro-American response to blacky-mc-black man president spending white people's hard earned money and giving it to the new black panthers party, only to ask for more with a restructured, progressive tax code. Obama can't strong arm the legislative wing of our govt. --- are you aware of our checks and balances? What exactly do you want Obama to do? This isnt a rap battle. He's dealing with maniacs.

Obama has been caving even when they had control of the House as well as the Senate. Don't think you're talking to someone who isn't aware of that fact.

Obama begins negotiating with himself, and then he comes to the table. I'm tired of Democrats doing that shyt. They've been doing it for 33 years now.
 

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I find it funny that on freerepublic they are mad at republicans for surrendering and leftist sites like here are mad that Obama is bending over...

Ultimately the result won't make much diffence. Revenues won't increase and a 3%tax increase won't kill wealthy people lol spending cuts are non existent so don't consider this a game changer in either direction...in 5-10 yrs there will be another financial situation over the debt
 

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This nikka Obama stay styling on republicans. I'm not gonna defend all this shyt but hear me out: he's getting them to pass tax cuts, even if they're not as big as he initially wanted. And he's not giving them any spending cuts.

:whoo:

Meanwhile cac republicans are eating themselves alive, slowly making themselves irrelevant.
 
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