So been a full year safe to say they ****ed CM Punks whole push

[The Push Man]

A lot of this criticism is misplaced. There are no crossover stars in wrestling and in the history of the business there's been very few.
There's plenty of blame to go around for the disappointing angles but to critisize people for not creating a new boom period or a Rock/Austin level star is ridiculously unfair to all parties involved

 

[ThatKidBlackHippy]

That's true. I think it's obvious they're trying to create a megastar to rival Cena, but in the last 20 years, aside from Goldberg, it has always been organic. I think a lot of his stuff seems forced (not always his fault) and it doesn't quite come off right.

That's the thing tho, right now his "heel" turn have him being closer to what got him over as fukk in the first place ... he is the anti-cena in terms of character and it was forced when he was a babyface that they tried to put in the same mold Cena, Sheamus etc are in.

If anything, Punk is the most organic main event star of the last decade that wasn't around during the attitude era - especially since guys like Orton, Batista, Lashley and even Cena to an extent were more or less groomed very early on in their careers to eventually be "that guy". He's been consistently over since he debuted, and I think he is much more of a #2 to Cena's #1 than Orton was (which they clearly tried to do a few years ago).

It is crazy to say he has failed just because he isn't a Rock or Austin - neither were Hart, HBK, Flair, Savage, HHH, Taker ... but they were all credible and successful main eventers.

 

[Swiggy]

I think the blandness of the product is what hurts him the most. He's had moments, despite some moments of creative fukkery. I mean, this dude is my type of guy. He's got a tattoo of COBRA on his shoulder, comes out shouting "It's clobbering time!", and when Kane came out with that mask, he called him Casey Jones on Twitter. How could I not back this guy?

In the end, he drinks from the corporate cup, and that's where the disconnect from some people comes from. The E's business model is so elaborate these days, as the show has progressed with technology. Tweeting, Touting, whatever. The idea is for the E to get faces out there for the public to embrace as an ensemble.

No way is Punk capable of being the true face, as Cena is starting to get the recognition of Austin and Hogan, without the benefit of being in an era that will be remembered fondly down the road. The name of the game today is to create faces that tell the public that the E does not create monsters like Chris Benoit, and will forever make an effort to become more mainstream.

Brehs ate so well during the Attitude Era, that it's hard to accept that those days are just over.

 

[ThatKidBlackHippy]

I think the blandness of the product is what hurts him the most. He's had moments, despite some moments of creative fukkery. I mean, this dude is my type of guy. He's got a tattoo of COBRA on his shoulder, comes out shouting "It's clobbering time!", and when Kane came out with that mask, he called him Casey Jones on Twitter. How could I not back this guy?

In the end, he drinks from the corporate cup, and that's where the disconnect from some people comes from. The E's business model is so elaborate these days, as the show has progressed with technology. Tweeting, Touting, whatever. The idea is for the E to get faces out there for the public to embrace as an ensemble.

No way is Punk capable of being the true face, as Cena is starting to get the recognition of Austin and Hogan, without the benefit of being in an era that will be remembered fondly down the road. The name of the game today is to create faces that tell the public that the E does not create monsters like Chris Benoit, and will forever make an effort to become more mainstream.

Brehs ate so well during the Attitude Era, that it's hard to accept that those days are just over.

QFT, especially the bolded.

 

[Golayitdown]

That's the thing tho, right now his "heel" turn have him being closer to what got him over as fukk in the first place ... he is the anti-cena in terms of character and it was forced when he was a babyface that they tried to put in the same mold Cena, Sheamus etc are in.

If anything, Punk is the most organic main event star of the last decade that wasn't around during the attitude era - especially since guys like Orton, Batista, Lashley and even Cena to an extent were more or less groomed very early on in their careers to eventually be "that guy". He's been consistently over since he debuted, and I think he is much more of a #2 to Cena's #1 than Orton was (which they clearly tried to do a few years ago).

It is crazy to say he has failed just because he isn't a Rock or Austin - neither were Hart, HBK, Flair, Savage, HHH, Taker ... but they were all credible and successful main eventers.

I'd say Jeff Hardy, but he's from the Attitude Era, so that takes him out.

It's hard to say Punk cause without that promo and subsequent month of brilliant booking, would he really be where he is now? I see it as strategic placement because absolutely nothing has changed. His biggest accomplishment before then was his feud with Hardy and SES. I agree that he wasn't groomed for success and his whole face run came off as forced. He's better as a heel (as IWC as that sounds) who is as anti-Cena as it gets from the tattoos to the smart assed truthful nature to his promos. I think when it's said and done, DB will be somewhere around that #2/#3 spot when they figure out how to capitalize off his unique greatness in and out of the ring..

I definitely agree with the last part. Those guys should be seen as exceptions and not the rule. I can't see how out of THOUSANDS of wrestlers, only 1 is a major success (Rock) and less than 20 are recognized out of the industry, yet every wrestler is measured against their accomplishments.

 

[R=G]

A lot of this criticism is misplaced. There are no crossover stars in wrestling and in the history of the business there's been very few.
There's plenty of blame to go around for the disappointing angles but to critisize people for not creating a new boom period or a Rock/Austin level star is ridiculously unfair to all parties involved

He came out in an Austin shirt during this shoot thing and he was talking like he was gonna set off a boom period on the Austin/Rock/NwO level...people bought into that crazy shyt. Talking about kiss asses and called Stephanie a bimbo or whatever the fukk he said last June. All that led to was some off brand run ins with Stephanie backstage where she cryptically acted like she was gonna turn heel on him during those run ins. A COMPLETE waste of fukking time....and they mixed in Nash and Cripple H with it.Two guys that can't carry shyt on their own if their lives depended on it.

 

[jackswstd]

We all know who's responsible.

 

[captaincharisma]

he's really one of the most overrated due to the internet, and lack of actual stars in the company any more. he's solid on the mic and in-ring and shows flashes of being brilliant but he's not consistently great, and probably never will be. he runs his mouth too much for his own good and it gets him in trouble (tries to be like austin and defy the upper management), but he's also very much an attention whore.

do i like his work? yes, he's solid. is he the best in the world? no. can he carry a company? no.

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

It's a mix of things: Punk and Creative

Where Punk failed: To put his increased creative control to use he should've put his foot down and TOOK TIME OFF. Cena wasn't on TLC last year so there's was no real reason for Cena/Punk 2 to happen that soon. It could've been a good 3-4 month feud that established a new guy in Punk and fully fleshed out the Cena/Punk dynamic. It would've also got rid of the HHH/Nash abortion which shouldn't have happened. Cena/Edge legitimized both wrestlers in their feud and could've done the same for Cena/Punk had they done the storyline properly while it was red hot last year. Punk turning full face seriously hurt because it's something he's clearly not. Austin was never watered down that badly (I'm not saying Punk=Austin) so neither should Punk. Also other than MITB, Punk's inability to increase buyrates also gave creative no choice but to default back to Cena. Punk was briefly above the WWE, the moment he went back to being a "spoke on the wheel" people lost interest.


Where Creative failed: For the last two years the roster has thinned out considerably and this era of WWE with its financial woes resembles WWF 93-97. Whether Punk is a crossover star, short order cook, or whatever if you see one of your stars get hot in a great booking angle you help get them out more. Creative missed an opportunity to expose a fast rising star to the public. Whereas someone like Miz who had questionable wrestling ability but was a great PR rep for the WWE the opposite is true of Punk and the summer angle could've helped bring that out. If years pass and the Punk experiment failed then but at least make a serious effort and having someone who's not Cena recognizable to the public is good for WWE. Him tweeting pics of the WWE title all over Chicago/the country, going on shows discussing himself, his situation, and the predicament the WWE was in with their main title gone could've been a great angle to work on for the summer/fall. The worked shoot angle had a lot of juice w/ management trying to negotiate new deals w/ Punk but failing. A former writer described Vince best: Brilliant wrestling mind but these days chokes on the sure thing.

Punk is crazy over and arguably the #2 in WWE but had the angle worked properly Cena/Punk would be equals (they just appeal to conflicting fanbases) and WWE could've had a renewed interest to help open up opportunities for other wrestlers to shine like Punk did. A new effort to build stars for the next decade of wrestling. Anyone who can break through that glass ceiling, make money and bring positive mainstream attention to wrestling is worth pushing IMO. Today, Punk is Savage to Cena's Hogan.

 

[DANJ!]

Imagine if that nikka stayed away for a year, and returned on some heel shyt?

That's internet fantasy booking at best... sure, it woulda made sense according to the storyline, but who would let their hottest new star be away from TV for a year for no legit reason but to sell a storyline

Letting that storyline cool down that summer by taking Punk off TV for a long-ass time woulda been even worse than what happened with the HHH/Nash shyt. I mean sure, they COULD have done it... but why be dumb enough to do that when you could have him actually be on TV while he's at his most popular? The worst that could happen is that he's the #2 most popular guy in the company, which he was despite the HHH/Nash clusterfukk. Still not a bad thing for someone who just months prior to all that was being called "the most underutilized wrestler in the WWE".

And I agree w/ those who say the Austin/Rock comparisons are a lil' over the top. If he's gonna catch flack for not reaching that level, then shyt, any wrestler that was ever over should catch the same flack. That's a pretty high mountain to climb no matter how over someone is.

 

[Real]

That's internet fantasy booking at best... sure, it woulda made sense according to the storyline, but who would let their hottest new star be away from TV for a year for no legit reason but to sell a storyline

Letting that storyline cool down that summer by taking Punk off TV for a long-ass time woulda been even worse than what happened with the HHH/Nash shyt. I mean sure, they COULD have done it... but why be dumb enough to do that when you could have him actually be on TV while he's at his most popular? The worst that could happen is that he's the #2 most popular guy in the company, which he was despite the HHH/Nash clusterfukk. Still not a bad thing for someone who just months prior to all that was being called "the most underutilized wrestler in the WWE".

And I agree w/ those who say the Austin/Rock comparisons are a lil' over the top. If he's gonna catch flack for not reaching that level, then shyt, any wrestler that was ever over should catch the same flack. That's a pretty high mountain to climb no matter how over someone is.

Thts cool and all but you're forgetting one tging.

Punk was really leaving wwe

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Punk isn't my favorite wrestler but they fukked up by having him come back within a fukking week or so.

These angles write themselves and WWE snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[DANJ!]

Thts cool and all but you're forgetting one tging.

Punk was really leaving wwe

Was he? Or was that an internet story because his contract was coming up?

You think they woulda REALLY had someone who was leaving win the title, at a PPV that JUST HAPPENED to be in his hometown... with no idea whether he was looking to come back at all, let alone re-sign his contract? That whole shyt was a storyline, and apparently a good one cause people actually thought he was leaving and gonna be gone.