So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his

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The whole point of everything Hitler did, foreign policy-wise, centered around invading Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union and destroying communism. The only reason he entered into an alliance with Stalin in the first place was because Britain and France were going to go to war if he expanded any more – this being after Germany invaded Czechoslovakia and violated the Munich Agreement – and he wanted to avoid a two-front war after he invaded Poland. If Hitler doesn’t invade the USSR, then there’s no point to anything he did, because that was his end game in the first place.

I also doubt he’d be holding on to Western Europe for all that long, either. Churchill already committed the UK to the war, FDR was doing everything he could to drag the USA into it, and there was no way Stalin was going to stand there and allow a powerful, ideologically-hostile Nazi Germany to exist on the borders of the Soviet Union. If Hitler doesn’t invade Russia that year, it probably means a longer and bloodier WWII, but Nazi Germany was screwed regardless. It did not have the resources to beat the combined forces of America, Russia, and Britain all at once in a total war.

And Hitler was not taking London. Germany did not have a navy capable of supporting an amphibious invasion. The best he could hope to do was force a negotiated peace, and that already failed.
Right after France.. should of went east
Would of been may 1942...early spring may..enough time to take over Moscow and not get caught up in the cold

Should of never attacked london..
 

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shyt is really crazy when you think about it. he could've kept all of western europe to himself. remember at the time lot of people in the US really didnt want to jump in. wasn't until pearl harbor that US committed.

but at the end of the day, the US would've eventually bodied the germans if they remained at odds. the problem the germans had was that they didn't have the capability to strike at US manufacturing. a german panther tank may be worth 2-3 shermans, but when the US replaces one with 10 additional, impossible to counter. then once the US got the bomb it was over with.

people dont realize bc we focus so much on japanese bombing, just how thoroughly the allies destroyed germany. british bomber fleets of literally thousands of planes destroyed targets during night, then the US would swing by in broad daylight
 

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shyt is really crazy when you think about it. he could've kept all of western europe to himself. remember at the time lot of people in the US really didnt want to jump in. wasn't until pearl harbor that US committed.

but at the end of the day, the US would've eventually bodied the germans if they remained at odds. the problem the germans had was that they didn't have the capability to strike at US manufacturing. a german panther tank may be worth 2-3 shermans, but when the US replaces one with 10 additional, impossible to counter. then once the US got the bomb it was over with.

people dont realize bc we focus so much on japanese bombing, just how thoroughly the allies destroyed germany. british bomber fleets of literally thousands of planes destroyed targets during night, then the US would swing by in broad daylight
Only advantage Americans had was the Atlantic ocean

SS would of bodied Americans on neutral soil

See the french..
 

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Hitler's empire was bound to collapse anyway

one of the blessings in disguise is that Fascist/Hard Authoritarian countries regime when they're not propped up don't last as long

usually.
shyt the Nazis were close to having a nuke. If he'd stalled a few more years and given his scientists more time to make the bomb, he would've ruled the entire world. Invading Russia saved the whole world
 

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Nazi Germany would have went to war with the Soviet Union eventually. Nazism and Communism were bound to clash. A huge chunk of Nazism was anti-communism. The majority of German troops that fought in World War 2 fought on the Eastern Front(against the Soviets).

Germany couldn't even defeat the British Air Force during the Battle of Britain and didn't have a strong enough Navy to invade England.
 

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Only advantage Americans had was the Atlantic ocean

SS would of bodied Americans on neutral soil

See the french..
Probably not. If there was somehow a Germany invasion they would not only have to deal with the American military but a civilian population that have guns.
 

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Any of you brehs watch "the man in the high castle" pretty scary that this could have happened if the events didn't lead to the Germans downfall

Ive been binging the shyt out of it the last few days :ohlawd::ohlawd:

So good

The trade minister is my favorite character
 

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nobody has mentioned that the nazis were also fighting in north africa.
i think that counts as a third front.
Can you backstab someone you were game planning to take down all along? :patrice:

he basically took on too much
he was already fighting a war on one end and then started another one on the other end,so to speak.
stretched his army paper thin and on top of that his forces couldn't handle the russian winter.
game over

According to his own racist doctrine he would have had to invade and annex Russia no matter what. He didn't see Slavs as equal to Aryans so Russia couldn't be allowed to exist, and he wanted that endless living space for his peoples. So it wasn't a backstab as much as it was him carrying out his racial cleansing plans from the beginning.

Him and his whole regime was, but no one should get it twisted. Conquering the Soviet Union was always the endgame for Hitler and the Nazis

hitler signed a nonaggression treaty prior to the invasion of poland.
i know that he had written of the grand plan to expand germany to the east and take over russia but stalin actually believed that the treaty was not going to be broken.
his advisors and generals told him that the germans were invading as soon as it happened but stalin brushed it off.


Nazi Germany was screwed regardless. It did not have the resources to beat the combined forces of America, Russia, and Britain all at once in a total war.

i saw a scene in a movie where a nazi officer is given a US mail package that was captured.
the officer opens it.
it's a cake that was mailed from america to europe.

the officer said something to the effect of "this is why we can't win. we can't fuel our tanks but they can fly cakes across the ocean."
 
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