So all Hitler had to do was not backstab stalin...and london west Europe is his

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Italy invading Greece during WW2 was the biggest fukk up because the Greeks actually resisted for 6 months and it fukked up the entire timeline. Mussolini is basically why Nazis lost the war

Winston Churchill:
"The word heroism I am afraid does not render the least of those acts of self-sacrifice of the Greeks, which were the defining factor in the victorious outcome of the common struggle of the nations, during WWII, for the human freedom and dignity. If it were not for the bravery of the Greeks and their courage, the outcome of WWII would be undetermined." (Paraphrased from one of his speeches to the British Parliament on 24 April 1941)


Joseph Vissarionovich Tzougasvili Stalin:
"I am sorry because I am getting old and I shall not live long to thank the Greek People, whose resistance decided WWII." (From a speech of his broadcast by the Moscow radio station on 31 January 1943 after the victory of Stalingrad and the capitulation of marshal Paulus)


Moscow, Radio Station to Greece:
"You fought unarmed and won, small against big. We owe you gratitude, because you gave us time to defend ourselves. As Russians and as people we thank you." (When Hitler attacked the U.S.S.R.)

Georgy Constantinovich Zhoucov 1896-1974 Marshal of the Soviet Army:
"If the Russian people managed to raise resistance at the doors of Moscow, to halt and reverse the German torrent, they owe it to the Greek People, who delayed the German divisions during the time they could bring us to our knees." (Quote from his memoirs on WWII)

Sir Harold Leofric George Alexander, British Marshal during WWII:
"It would not be an exaggeration to say that Greece upset the plans of Germany in their entirety forcing her to postpone the attack on Russia for six weeks. We wonder what would have been Soviet Union's position without Greece." (Paraphrased from a speech of his to the British parliament on 28 October 1941)


So it was Nazi Italy and their groupie actions that caused the empire to fall.....
 

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I was 10 and had an after school program that had a Chinese girl. Somehow Japan got brought up and shorty went the F off.

It blew my mind cause this little Chinese quiet girl ( I didn’t know she had a voice till then) was saying shyt about them worse than how my older brother talked about white folks.

I literally hit the :picard: . And she didn’t curse once, just pure , real hatred. And we’re far removed age wise from WW2...

Chinese and Koreans hate Japan to this day for all that savage and :demonic: shyt Japan did
 

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The whole thing was weird. Russia either didn't want smoke or thought Germany was really gonna be satisfied with the rest of Europe. Allies had been warning them for awhile and Germany had been moving troops to Poland under the guise of "training excercises" , still Stalin turned a blind eye.

Funny how Hitler hated communism, but his actions basically gave Stalin the Baltics and whole Soviet block in the end.

It was a blunder of historical proportions. Germans had amassed a 3 million man army along the Soviet border which is the equivalent distance from Miami Florida to Boston.
 

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they didn’t do that by choice. they were going to invade sooner but had too many men and much going on in Greece because the Greeks were fighting them for months..

Nazis would’ve taken over if Italy didn’t invade Greece. Hitler didn’t even want Italy to invade Greece but they did. then Italy was losing and Germany was forced to divert their attention to helping out, thus messing up their plan and not being prepared to fight the Soviet Union in that weather

They would've lost either way, even if they attacked in May (the initial plan). German military intelligence underestimated the number of Soviet divisions and the number of Soviet armor vehicles and tanks.

Plus, Hitler thought that the Russians won't fight for a long time before giving up.
 

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The whole thing was weird. Russia either didn't want smoke or thought Germany was really gonna be satisfied with the rest of Europe. Allies had been warning them for awhile and Germany had been moving troops to Poland under the guise of "training excercises" , still Stalin turned a blind eye.

Stalin did not turn a blind eye. He needed time and he was convinced that the non-aggression pact was enough to buy him time. Plus, a lot of his spies told him that there was no preparation for an offensive since no winter gear was being prepared, and they were right. Hitler thought that Brarbarosa will be done before the winter kicks in.

Funny how Hitler hated communism, but his actions basically gave Stalin the Baltics and whole Soviet block in the end.

Stalin used to call Hitler the "Icebreaker": according to him, Hitler was the icebreaker that was going to open the door for communism in the rest of Europe. He was right.
 

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They would've lost either way, even if they attacked in May (the initial plan). German military intelligence underestimated the number of Soviet divisions and the number of Soviet armor vehicles and tanks.

Plus, Hitler thought that the Russians won't fight for a long time before giving up.
Boy was he wrong :mjgrin:
 

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Nazis would have won if it wasn’t for the terrible decision to invade the Soviet Union during the winter

this. the went up against a monster that wasnt having it and would never back down. France and western Europe is one thing because we saw how they just laid down while Adolf took selfies in front of the Eiffel Towel. No way on any version of earth that was coming remotely close to Moscow. Team Nazi wouldve gotten decimated somewhere in Siberia.
 

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shyt is really crazy when you think about it. he could've kept all of western europe to himself. remember at the time lot of people in the US really didnt want to jump in. wasn't until pearl harbor that US committed.

but at the end of the day, the US would've eventually bodied the germans if they remained at odds. the problem the germans had was that they didn't have the capability to strike at US manufacturing. a german panther tank may be worth 2-3 shermans, but when the US replaces one with 10 additional, impossible to counter. then once the US got the bomb it was over with.

people dont realize bc we focus so much on japanese bombing, just how thoroughly the allies destroyed germany. british bomber fleets of literally thousands of planes destroyed targets during night, then the US would swing by in broad daylight
I went to a castle in Würzburg Germany and they have pictures of how bombed out the area was after the war and it is astonishing to see how completely flattened the city was and how they’ve built it back up.
 
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