SMH, So The Magic Could've Had Hordford, Teague And a 1st...These ****** :mindblown:

[MoneyTron]

If the Magic are thinking they are going to "tank" and "build through the draft"...go look at the Bobcats

There's a difference between the Bobcats and everyone else. MJ throws darts blindfolded at a dart board while drinking henny before he makes his picks.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Do you or any Lakers fans honestly think the NBA would intentionally sabotage a trade of a high profile player to one of it's marquee teams & in one of it's biggest markets?

Are you Lakers fans really that dumb?

If you're talking the nixed cp3 trade...do I believe the nba would sabotage a trade that sent a high profile player to one of it's high profile big market teams literally days after a end to the lockout was negotiated...a lockout whose primary point of contention was the disparity between big and small market team owners, owners who were all together to officially sign the new cba the day the trade was agreed to and were reported to be enraged by the news and immediately pressured Stern to do something because in their eyes it made a complete mockery of the lockout before the ink on the new cba had dried?

Absolutely

 

[FTBS]

If you're talking the nixed cp3 trade...do I believe the nba would sabotage a trade that sent a high profile player to one of it's high profile big market teams literally days after a end to the lockout was negotiated...a lockout whose primary point of contention was the disparity between big and small market team owners, owners who were all together to officially sign the new cba the day the trade was agreed to and were reported to be enraged by the news and immediately pressured Stern to do something because in their eyes it made a complete mockery of the lockout before the ink on the new cba had dried?

Absolutely

They did trade him to the Clips though who play in the exact same market. The key issue to the CP3 deal was that the Hornets recieved a one way ticket to purgatory with a bunch of old, good but far from great, nikkas that were making money. I doubt the CP3 deal gets rejected if the Lakers had been giving up Bynum like they did in this deal. I agree about it being a bad look coming off the lockout but I just think that the quality of the trade, or lack thereof, was the key factor rather than the Lakers involvment.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

They did trade him to the Clips though who play in the exact same market. The key issue to the CP3 deal was that the Hornets recieved a one way ticket to purgatory with a bunch of old, good but far from great, nikkas that were making money. I doubt the CP3 deal gets rejected if the Lakers had been giving up Bynum like they did in this deal. I agree about it being a bad look coming off the lockout but I just think that the quality of the trade, or lack thereof, was the key factor rather than the Lakers involvment.

Yeah that's pretty much the standard company line and I'd be willing to consider it if the facts supported it and it didn't have the stench of thinly veiled bullshyt all over it....the league owned the team for close to a year before that, had given the gm full autonomy to make basketball decisions, never once gave guidelines of what was acceptable packages for cp3, knew that they were working on moving him during the whole time, never once suggested that that or any move would require preapproval from stern in his capacity as acting team owner, the hornets nor any of the teams in
the deal operated under the assumption that the league was ultimately running the team...the trade was done and submitted to what would otherwise be a formality in "league approval"...it was only then when the owners caught wind of it and went crazy with rage and started leaning on stern while they were in nyc to sign the cba did he step in at the last minute withholding the formality of league approval and vetoed the deal under the auspices of all of sudden removing the gms autonomy and injecting himself in basketball operations and blocking the deal for "basketball reasons"....the shyt was fairly transparent...from that point on they essentially completely neutered the gm and the league manufactured that clippers deal as a pretty much last resort

I think sterns last minute involvement had everything to do with the reaction to the trade (which had everything to do with the lakers getting the best player), more than the trade itself...as a laker fan, I was tight because it ended up ruining a season for us when their reigning sixth man of the year fell into a teenage emo girl-like depression over being traded in a deal that was killed at the 25th hour and Pau having his feelings hurt...but it worked out in the end, ended up getting nash and Dwight...we would've had cp3 and Dwight, but we got to keep Pau (or whatever he's traded for down the line)...the Rockets are the ones who ended up the most screwed once all the chips fell

 

[FTBS]

Yeah that's pretty much the standard company line and I'd be willing to consider it if the facts supported it and it didn't have the stench of thinly veiled bullshyt all over it....the league owned the team for close to a year before that, had given the gm full autonomy to make basketball decisions, never once gave guidelines of what was acceptable packages for cp3, knew that they were working on moving him during the whole time, never once suggested that that or any move would require preapproval from stern in his capacity as acting team owner, the hornets nor any of the teams in
the deal operated under the assumption that the league was ultimately running the team...the trade was done and submitted to what would otherwise be a formality in "league approval"...it was only then when the owners caught wind of it and went crazy with rage and started leaning on stern while they were in nyc to sign the cba did he step in at the last minute withholding the formality of league approval and vetoed the deal under the auspices of all of sudden removing the gms autonomy and injecting himself in basketball operations and blocking the deal for "basketball reasons"....the shyt was fairly transparent...from that point on they essentially completely neutered the gm and the league manufactured that clippers deal as a pretty much last resort

I think sterns last minute involvement had everything to do with the reaction to the trade (which had everything to do with the lakers getting the best player), more thank the trade itself...

I'm not denying any of that. I'm saying that if the Hornets got Bynum or a player of that caliber that could potentially be built around back in the deal rather than the likes of Odom and Scola then it would have been a different story. The issue wasn't the Lakers getting CP3 the issue was them doing so while also getting into a better position cap wise while NO would be in a worse position with no superstar or chance to get a superstar to show for it. And yeah the fact that they were up for sale played a part in that thought process but let's not act like the deal itself didn't as well.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Glad to see you so upset about this.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I'm not denying any of that.

Oh I thought you were denying Stern buckling under pressure from the owners and nixing the trade using the league's ownership of the Hornets as a means to pull some Vince McMahn type fukkery...you're just arguing WHY the owners were made, got you...to which i have to say

I'm saying that if the Hornets got Bynum or a player of that caliber that could potentially be built around back in the deal rather than the likes of Odom and Scola then it would have been a different story. The issue wasn't the Lakers getting CP3 the issue was them doing so while also getting into a better position cap wise while NO would be in a worse position with no superstar or chance to get a superstar to show for it. And yeah the fact that they were up for sale played a part in that thought process but let's not act like the deal itself didn't as well.

of course it wouldn't have been a problem if they traded Bynum instead...he's the 2nd best center in the league, 7 feet tall (which means they deal small for a big), younger than Chris Paul, and the lakers just flipped his trade value to acquire Dwight f'ing Howard...in that case the Hornets would have acquired MORE than equal value by a trading a superstar who was disgruntled, demanding a trade, and could leave NO for nothing the next summer...which NEVER happens...if the lakers would've made a bad deal, I'm sure nobody would have a problem with that...and yeah I forgot to mention the owners were livid that the lakers shed money in the deal too, but I'm having a hard time believing the Dan Gilbirts of the world gave a fifth of a damn about New Orleans getting a star out of the deal...I don't see a single solitary mention of what the hornets did or didn't receive in his butt hurt email...it's all " the lakers are always winning...it ain't fair...they gonna trade for Dwight Howard after this too...noooo I don't want that happen, let's vote and kill it"

Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.

 

[FTBS]

Oh I thought you were denying Stern buckling under pressure from the owners and nixing the trade using the league's ownership of the Hornets as a means to pull some Vince McMahn type fukkery...you're just arguing WHY the owners were made, got you...to which i have to say

of course it wouldn't have been a problem if they traded Bynum instead...he's the 2nd best center in the league, 7 feet tall (which means they deal small for a big), younger than Chris Paul, and the lakers just flipped his trade value to acquire Dwight f'ing Howard...in that case the Hornets would have acquired MORE than equal value by a trading a superstar who was disgruntled, demanding a trade, and could leave NO for nothing the next summer...which NEVER happens...if the lakers would've made a bad deal, I'm sure nobody would have a problem with that...and yeah I forgot to mention the owners were livid that the lakers shed money in the deal too, but I'm having a hard time believing the Dan Gilbirts of the world gave a fifth of a damn about New Orleans getting a star out of the deal...I don't see a single solitary mention of what the hornets did or didn't receive in his butt hurt email...it's all " the lakers are always winning...it ain't fair...they gonna trade for Dwight Howard after this too...noooo I don't want that happen, let's vote and kill it"

Gilbert is an idiot.

I think it was a perfect storm. You had the lockout that had just ended, the Heat shyt was still hot, then you had the Lakers landing CP3 and still having trade bait for Howard, and leaving NO in purgatory. You eliminate any one of those factors and CP3 ends up on the Lakers IMO.