smh @ black people still allowing white people to define them

[Chesirecatdaddy]

My point is; we haven't done it since the Civil Rights movement.

We came together en masse with a common goal and fought together, throughout the country.

Nowadays; we spend so much time trying to changed the entire group;

some of us want to be able to being openly atheist
some of us want to be openly gay
some of us think we don't have enough church
some of us think we're too Christian
some of us want to be Republican
etc, etc, etc

My only point; we can't expect all those groups (and these are only some of our differences) to put aside there differences and move forward, because we have too many different #1 priorities.

Let's get into our small groups and be cordial to one another and agree that we're different.

That's only because some of us think that we don't have any of the issues from the civil rights era to deal with. In their minds it's all good and time to move forward on to different issues, which is exactly what you were promoting in the previous post remember? This fight still isn't over but people think it is, we can only move on to other shyt after this fight is over. Wth kids like trayvon getting gunned down the fight isn't over. It's actually a sign that people are being divided and weakened without any focal point. Spreading ourselves too thin won't help.

 

[ThatTruth777]

We need to abandon the concept of "race" all together and creating unifying labels based on shared cultural values, not matching skin tone.

But, this is the system...

When ever other group starts doing that kumbaya shyt then we can look at it as a option but until then we need to be depend no one else but ourselves.

 

[Poitier]

I won't pretend to completely understand this post; but, I feel the concept of race was created more to divide, than to unite.

We quick to come an black Christians and our "white religious, slave beliefs," but, we wasn't' "blacks, negros, ******s/nikkas" in our respective countries of origin in West Africa.

We had our own culture.

"Black" was given to us.

The concept of race was going to occur regardless because one of the brain's purposes is to make our conscious experience as easy to process as possible. Color is a pretty potent and overt thing, isn't it? Culture? Not as tangible. I have no problems with the concept of race as long as people recognize it as a social/cultural/historical construct and not some genetic truth.

 

[BrothaZay]

terrible thread

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

I won't pretend to completely understand this post; but, I feel the concept of race was created more to divide, than to unite.

We quick to come an black Christians and our "white religious, slave beliefs," but, we wasn't' "blacks, negros, ******s/nikkas" in our respective countries of origin in West Africa.

We had our own culture.

"Black" was given to us.

The concept of race was going to occur regardless because one of the brain's purposes is to make our conscious experience as easy to process as possible. Color is a pretty potent and overt thing, isn't it? Culture? Not as tangible. I have no problems with the concept of race as long as people recognize it as a social/cultural/historical construct and not some genetic truth.

culture is tangible and that's why it was used as the identifier for thousands of years before race. hey're both social constructs breh... one is just a healthier one than the other.

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

The concept of race was going to occur regardless because one of the brain's purposes is to make our conscious experience as easy to process as possible. Color is a pretty potent and overt thing, isn't it? Culture? Not as tangible. I have no problems with the concept of race as long as people recognize it as a social/cultural/historical construct and not some genetic truth.

its more than social.

why do you think people are saying 'we need more black organ donors, or blood donors' why do you think that is if its just social and not biological/

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

its more than social.

why do you think people are saying 'we need more black organ donors, or blood donors' why do you think that is if its just social and not biological/

That's really easy to explain breh because different haplogroups are suceptible to the same diseases and more compatible etc. A lot of people of european ancestry have shyt like rh+ blood and etc. If you get people who share the same traits this will make it easier for organ transplants blood donations etc... it doesn't mean a white persons blood wont rock or a white liver will be rejected by a black man. It just gives you way more compatible organs on deck for everyone. you realize we're 99.999% the same genetically breh?

 

[Poitier]

culture is tangible and that's why it was used as the identifier for thousands of years before race. hey're both social constructs breh... one is just a healthier one than the other.

Ehhhh... culture isn't as tangible and it's why it didn't win out once White people decided to introduce themselves to Yellow, Brown, Red and Black people.

 

[Easy-E]

I have no problems with the concept of race as long as people recognize it as a social/cultural/historical construct and not some genetic truth.

I agree

When ever other group starts doing that kumbaya shyt then we can look at it as a option but until then we need to be depend no one else but ourselves.

White people aren't all lumped together.

White Italians, White Jewish and White Irish aren't beefing because they all don't act the same.

That's only because some of us think that we don't have any of the issues from the civil rights era to deal with. In their minds it's all good and time to move forward on to different issues, which is exactly what you were promoting in the previous post remember? This fight still isn't over but people think it is, we can only move on to other shyt after this fight is over. Wth kids like trayvon getting gunned down the fight isn't over. It's actually a sign that people are being divided and weakened without any focal point. Spreading ourselves too thin won't help.

My issue is with what we actually have to address as our biggest fight--I'm not qualified, enough--just that we have to understand;

Gettin' 40 million people throughout the entire country on the same page is more difficult then, maybe 7500,000 blacks in Florida

I don't mean to call for us to all break up. No.

But, a brotha from Portland, Oregon gon' have a different outlook on the plight of black people than, that one black dude in Portland, Maine

 

[I Lord Justice]

I won't pretend to completely understand this post; but, I feel the concept of race was created more to divide, than to unite.

We quick to come an black Christians and our "white religious, slave beliefs," but, we wasn't' "blacks, negros, ******s/nikkas" in our respective countries of origin in West Africa.

We had our own culture.

"Black" was given to us.

This will be completely ignored or glossed over.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Ehhhh... culture isn't as tangible and it's why it didn't win out once White people decided to introduce themselves to Yellow, Brown, Red and Black people.

It didn't win because white people were calling the shots and that's the only reason why?

If culture wasn't a good identifier why was it used for way longer than race with no problems? If culture isn't tangible then neither is race, both can be passed on both are social constructs etc.

 

[LA Fisher]

Yall don't want whites to define yall but you keep putting our dominican brothers down for not wearing dashikis and claiming africa

 

[Poitier]

It didn't win because white people were calling the shots and that's the only reason why?

If culture wasn't a good identifier why was it used for way longer than race with no problems? If culture isn't tangible then neither is race, both can be passed on both are social constructs etc.

Yeah but White people ARE WHITE and lack color. When those two worlds collided, color not culture became the easiest way to rectify all of that.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

My issue is with what we actually have to address as our biggest fight--I'm not qualified, enough--just that we have to understand;

Gettin' 40 million people throughout the entire country on the same page is more difficult then, maybe 7500,000 blacks in Florida

I don't mean to call for us to all break up. No.

But, a brotha from Portland, Oregon gon' have a different outlook on the plight of black people than, that one black dude in Portland, Maine

well it would take something external to do that... and their outlook ain't gonna be that different. Look at all of us on this forum, we differ on a lot of shyt... but usually it's small petty shyt.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Yeah but White people ARE WHITE and lack color. When those two worlds collided, color not culture became the easiest way to rectify all of that.

Fam the only reason race was around was to justify treating a people as subhuman, that's the only thing it rectified. All those cultures wanted to be involved in the money making slave trade so they all subscribed that theory.. that gave them common ground.