Skip and Shannon list their all time top 10

[OnFleekTing]

Wilt had stats out the ass but he was not a winner
That's reason 1 why people are already saying he needs to get out the top 10 all time and make room for others
Kareem said it himself he was good for a center but in an era where big man play was king he was not winning like russell or Kareem

My one issue with Shaq is that he was so dominant early in his career he absolutely looks like he was half assing by the latter half

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

My list is better

In order
Mj
Kobe
Lebron
Magic
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Dream
Bird


No bias

 

[DTXwavey_02]

ANOTHER DUMBFUCC WHO CANT READ



ONCE AGAIN


THIS DOESNT EXPLAIN HOW KOBE GETS BUMPED FROM 2 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 9




YOU BRON GROUPIES ARE SO ENAMORED BY YOUR LUST FOR HIM THAT U CANT SEE ANYTHING BEYOND YOUR INFATUATION

TRULY SICK STUFF

Damn so you a fakkit too, I don’t lust over players like you white boy sucking Kobe’s dikk constantly ain’t healthy, ain’t no way you should be calling nobody a groupie bytch ass cracka

 

[Remote]

This

ESPECIALLY the Kareem part.

Motherfukker needed the best point guard of his era to win his rings (Oscar and Magic)

Kobe at least won 2 rings without Shaq, so that proves that he could have won up to 5 if he never played with him.

Plus, in 08, Kobe beat Duncan head to head

LOL

I will never understand why basketball fans act like having good teammates devalues a great player’s achievements.

I truly think basketball fans, more than any other fan base, has zero idea of what it means to be a team.

Y’all just want 1 player to win with as little help as possible. That’s the only way y’all want to respect anyone.

Sad.

 

[murksiderock]

Its just goes to show once you stop playing people forget who was the scarier player to go against and just look at the resume.

Kareem has benefitted from this the most. When he played, nobody thought he was in the same class as Wilt. Similar to how nobody viewed Duncan in the same class as Kobe post 2005. But after you stop playing people begin to forget and when they make these all-time rankings lists it becomes more about resume than actual playing ability.

What about pre-2005?

This

ESPECIALLY the Kareem part.

Motherfukker needed the best point guard of his era to win his rings (Oscar and Magic)

Kobe at least won 2 rings without Shaq, so that proves that he could have won up to 5 if he never played with him.

Plus, in 08, Kobe beat Duncan head to head

Boy, that's a leap to assume Kobe could win up to 5 chips sans Shaq...

He played 12 years without Shaq and got two championships from it, that's a big deal. There's nothing to suggest he could have won more than he did, and certainly not 5...

 

[Luke Cage]

1. Wilt
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Hakeem
5. Moses
6. D. Rob

How could you put D rob over him when we have footage of Shaq dominating him?

 

[VBM]

Plus, in 08, Kobe beat Duncan head to head

I always laugh at this argument. If that's the end all, then Steve Nash > Kobe and Dirk > Kobe. Duncan averaged 22/17/2 blks in that series while Manu played like trash due to his ankle injury. Another injury break for the Lakers in their playoff history against the Spurs (Derek Anderson 01, David Robinson 02).

In a statement Friday, the Spurs confirmed that Ginobili would undergo a procedure "to correct a posterior impingement of his left ankle."

"Following the conclusion of the Olympic Games Ginobili returned to San Antonio," the team's statement read. "An MRI conducted earlier this week confirmed that he had re-aggravated the injury and that there was no additional damage to the ankle or the ligament."

The Spurs had no additional comment, other than to say they will announce a timeline for Ginobili's return after he has surgery.

The injury hobbled Ginobili during the NBA playoffs, particularly during the Western Conference finals against the Los Angeles Lakers, when his signature explosiveness was visibly absent. Ginobili led the Spurs in scoring last season and won the league's sixth man award.

And the whole system argument is funny too (not saying you made it, but it's elsewhere in the thread). There is proof that Kobe needed Phil's system to win. He didn't do shyt with Rambis, nothing with Rudy T, nothing with Mike Brown, nothing with Mike D'Antoni and nothing with Byron Scott. It could be argued that Phil saved Kobe's legacy (since Kobe stans with tell you Pau Gasol was and still is hot garbage and did nothing to help Kobe ring in 09/10).

 

[Rell84shots]

Yeah your definitely retarded that tweet was in 2012 cracker bytch, bron didn’t even win a ring yet. Fast forward a couple of years and only mj is ahead of bron now

So how did Kobe go from 2nd to 9th?

 

[Swagnificent]

If you are strictly going off of talent. How is Russell over KG and AD or even a Tim Duncan?

Bill Russell is one of the greatest athletes in the history of the game. Go look up his feats in track and field. The guy could run and jump as well as anyone who was ever 6'9" or taller. He's athletically superior to those guys. And he's arguably the greatest defensive player of all-time. I value defense as much as offense. Hence the reason Scottie ranks so highly with me. Same thing applies with Russell.

 

[Swagnificent]

T-Mac, Pippin, and Penny over Kareem, Bird, Magic, and Russell?

You need to be banned again.

Go watch their tape then talk to me. I rank based on hooping ability not accolades.

 

[Swagnificent]

Yeah your definitely retarded that tweet was in 2012 cracker bytch, bron didn’t even win a ring yet. Fast forward a couple of years and only mj is ahead of bron now

The point isn't whether Bron passed up Kobe. It's how does Kobe go from #2 all-time on Shannon's list in 2012 all the way down to #9 today. What did Kobe do after 2012 to plummet him that far down the rankings in Shannon's opinion. By 2012 Kobe's career was damn near over.

 

[Flex Luger]

Im not about to get fake mad about somebody’s own personal list

 

[Swagnificent]

What about pre-2005?


Boy, that's a leap to assume Kobe could win up to 5 chips sans Shaq...

He played 12 years without Shaq and got two championships from it, that's a big deal. There's nothing to suggest he could have won more than he did, and certainly not 5...

From 2001-05 most people still had Kobe ranked higher but Duncan was also thought of as a top 5 player so it was close. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, and T-Mac were like the consensus top 5. What happened after 2005 is Duncan was no longer considered top 5 or in conversation for the best player in the game. Guys like LeBron, D-Wade, Chris Paul, and Dwight joined Kobe as the consensus top 5 to end the decade.

Kobe was the only player in the 2000s to be in the conversation for best player in the league for the entire decade. Duncan was only in that debate for half of it.

 

[DTXwavey_02]

So how did Kobe go from 2nd to 9th?

I can agree that Shannon has had media bias ever since he’s been on undisputed

 

[Numpsay]

I understand in that there's no need to compared them. They're both greats who played completely different positions for very different teams and won in different ways.


But if you're implying that Kobe is definitively ahead of Duncan or something.....Duncan has more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, and was the best player and leader on more title teams. They have the same # of titles overall and the same # of All-NBA selections. Kobe is clearly the more impactful scorer but Duncan is clearly the more impactful defender.

Duncan's most dominant stretch (1999 to 2005) is more impressive than Kobe's peak - 7 straight 1st-team All-NBA, 7 straight 1st-team All-Defensive (and actually earned), 7 straight top-5 MVP finishes including 2 MVPs and 2 MVP runner-ups, 3 titles and 3 Finals MVPs while elevating some of the weakest supporting casts of our era for a title team.

Again, not saying you need to compare two greats. But if you're gonna compare them, Duncan's case is so strong right through the middle of Kobe's era that you ain't putting Kobe over him by any objective standard.

So Duncan's most dominant stretch included years where Kobe 3peated and was clearly the best player in the majority of those Spurs vs Lakers series, and that is that puts him ahead of Kobe?