Skinheads in Paris

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Ayoub is not an immigrant.
His parents (or grandparents) might be but dude his born and raised in Bagnolet, France.

He used to fukked Tabatha Cash :noah:
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Hes not white though. What the hell is a lebanese arab doing heading a neo Nazi group?
 

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FN has 2 seats in the parliament : Marion Maréchal-Le Pen (grand daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen (JMLP)) and Gilbert Collard.
Marine Le Pen (daughter of JMLP) did 17.90% in the last presidential election in 2012.

You're right. I knew that Marine's campaign got their highest percentage of the vote yet, but I guess it was difficult for me to distinguish "2" from "0"[/idiocy]. Props for the history and videos though.
 
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These people are stupid...

They obviously don't remember Hitler coming through and crushing their buildings, that's why they are supporting something their grandfathers fought to eliminate...
 

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Hes not white though. What the hell is a lebanese arab doing heading a neo Nazi group?
I don't know...
He has his origins but he mostly has ideas and thoughts. He has the right and the freedom to think he fits in that ideology. Plus, if he's accepted as the leader considering his origins, that means his legitimacy is super high.
You know that there are arab and black people in the Front National party...

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You're right. I knew that Marine's campaign got their highest percentage of the vote yet, but I guess it was difficult for me to distinguish "2" from "0"[/idiocy]. Props for the history and videos though.
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I was not trying to school you brè... Just wanted the thread to be more accurate...

These people are stupid...

They obviously don't remember Hitler coming through and crushing their buildings, that's why they are supporting something their grandfathers fought to eliminate...
You may not know about collaboration then. Don't think 100% of the French were in the Résistance because not everybody in France fought the Nazis... Some of them were really happy to see the invaders and welcomed them with open arms.
History tells us that there were two types of collaboration
- "collaborators" who helped the occupying force but did not necessarely agree with the Nazi ideology.
- "collaborationnists" who helped the regime and agreed with the Nazi ideology and WANTING Germany to win.

Well a good minority (a good 50K maybe up to 100K depending on the sources, and that's only for members of known pro-nazi parties, I'm not counting the average joes) of the french were collaborationnists and many many many more were collaborators...
Those grandfathers you're talking about may have been collaborationnists :manny:
 

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i wish people would stop calling them skinheads. sad that their infiltration of the skin culture has been so successful that still today people chafe at the word and think of nazis automatically.

 
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If it's about Greece, then I didn't see the episode, but I do know of the party, Golden Dawn (XA). Unlike the Front National, they actually have seats in Greek Parliament, which should tell you everything you need to know about how fractured the situation is in Greece.

Do you remember what the book is called? They worship Ioannis Metaxas, a dictator whose policies were not far off from Nazism, but I don't remember him ever writing a book (diary, yes. But not a book).

I just watched the vice episode again and it said they follow a diary by "joseph goebbels"

i wish people would stop calling them skinheads. sad that their infiltration of the skin culture has been so successful that still today people chafe at the word and think of nazis automatically.

:whoa: :whoa: don't blame the messenger, I was just watching France24, and they reffered to them as "skinheads" not boneheads.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZHFomEAqX8"]How did Fred Perry become trendy for skinheads? - YouTube[/ame]

Lord knows I mainly subscribe to them for Anelise Borges:
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:whew:
 

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i wish people would stop calling them skinheads. sad that their infiltration of the skin culture has been so successful that still today people chafe at the word and think of nazis automatically.

Laurel Aitken - Skinhead - YouTube
I feel you but sometimes words' meanings change for the worse and you can't help it. The ska skinhead movement doesn't exist anymore, therefore remain the "other" skinheads known as the boneheads. They are a derivative of the original movement because they liked the same music, wore the same brands, went to the same parties/concerts, had the same social backgrounds but they diverged in the ideology unfortunately.

I mean it's like in the US, in the beginning the Republicans were the "left" party and the Democrats were the "right" one if I don't misunderstand. Meaning has changed with the time and may change in the future, we don't know yet...
 

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I feel you but sometimes words' meanings change for the worse and you can't help it. The ska skinhead movement doesn't exist anymore, therefore remain the "other" skinheads known as the boneheads. They are a derivative of the original movement because they liked the same music, wore the same brands, went to the same parties/concerts, had the same social backgrounds but they diverged in the ideology unfortunately.

I mean it's like in the US, in the beginning the Republicans were the "left" party and the Democrats were the "right" one if I don't misunderstand. Meaning has changed with the time and may change in the future, we don't know yet...

ehhh not really but it doesnt matter here, i get your point

my post was more a lamentable c'est la vie type than a call to action

a lot of bands where i'm from were birthed in the skinhead movement and it was always a hassle explaining to people how liberal kids, black and white, could be involved in "racist subcultures", which were anything but
 

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:yeshrug:

props to Liu Kang for shedding some light on this one (no idea how you're supposed to "mention" someone)

Hes not white though. What the hell is a lebanese arab doing heading a neo Nazi group?

Nazi's first "enemy" would be jews, so...plus there's the whole "last one on the bus" theory that goes that some migrants (or their sons, or grandsons) resent newer migrants because

A. they feel if those new migrants do some shyt, people won't make a difference between those who are more "established" and the newer ones and resent all of them
B. it's not because you're not white that you can't be racist (hopefully someday y'all will understand that). That dude probably feels that France is HIS HOME, so he might hate newcomers.

And a lot of lebanese/syrian/armenian guys have been in France for generations now, they might ethnically be different from your "average" French but a lot feel 100 % French.

Sidenote: for the whole discussion about skinheads and how the original group was hijacked by the British Extreme-Right, watch "This is England", dope movie, was a real eye-opener.

This Is England (2006) - IMDb

And non-racist skinheads still exist, SHARP (SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice) being their umbrella org or something

SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice - Champaign Urbana Chapter
 
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