Similarities on Racial Hiearchies in the Arab World and Latin America

[BigMan]

Irrelevant. You come here, you deal with the rules. Point is, there was a neighborhood in Manhattan where they were legally allowed to live bc of AA's. .


That wiki link is about NYC in general. By the time I was coming up, there weren't enough WI's in Harlem to notice. Ex/ when Shabba came out, nobody knew wtf it was and ppl were asking if you know how to 'dance Jamaican'. Clearly not a lot of WI influence.

Youre not really addressing my point but ok. It seems odd to say it was AAS that "allowed" black people to live in segregated neighborhoods but ok
Everyone knows Harlem is an AA neighborhood and I never said otherwise. My whole point is that Caribbean people have been coming to the US since the early 1900s. You can even research labor day Parade and how the first carnival was in harlem NOT Brooklyn

 

[IcemanCometh]

Irrelevant. You come here, you deal with the rules. Point is, there was a neighborhood in Manhattan where they were legally allowed to live bc of AA's. .


That wiki link is about NYC in general. By the time I was coming up, there weren't enough WI's in Harlem to notice. Ex/ when Shabba came out, nobody knew wtf it was and ppl were asking if you know how to 'dance Jamaican'. Clearly not a lot of WI influence.

Indeed, that small wave of West Indians that moved to NYC in the early 1900s PEAKED in the 1920s and they was still HEAVILY outnumbered by AAs, the Southern migrants, as well as dutch era descended AAs who moved to Harlem from the older lower Manhattan areas. And even that carib migration stopped by the time of Great Depression while AAs kept on moving in. I had a report the exact numbers at the time (1920s), fukk I wish I can find it now.

Not like it matters anyway. AAs been in NYC since the early 1600s, helped build the city since the beginning. That African burial ground in Manhattan is full of AAs from NYC hundreds of years ago

 

[Deuterion]

lots of Caribbeans came to the US in the early 1900s. Many lived in Harlem

This has jack shyt to do with what I said though.

 

[HarlemHottie]

One of my Masonic brothers was born in Trinidad and Tobago and says I have a chip on my shoulder because I always call out racism. I told him that if African Americans weren’t calling out racism here in the US his Dad wouldn’t have had a place to run to when it was getting too hot in Trinidad. He had nothing to say...

Youre not really addressing my point but ok. It seems odd to say it was AAS that "allowed" black people to live in segregated neighborhoods but ok
Everyone knows Harlem is an AA neighborhood and I never said otherwise. My whole point is that Caribbean people have been coming to the US since the early 1900s. You can even research labor day Parade and how the first carnival was in harlem NOT Brooklyn

This has jack shyt to do with what I said though.

 

[BigMan]

This has jack shyt to do with what I said though.

You insinuated that a Trinidadian couldn't have gone to the US with out AAs

Like I said, not historically true

 

[Deuterion]

You insinuated that a Trinidadian couldn't have gone to the US with out AAs

Like I said, not historically true

I stated that African Americans made the USA a viable alternative for other Blacks across the world. My Masonic brother said I need to let White supremacy ride but my point was that if African Americans did that the USA wouldn’t have been an option for his family. If African Americans were as passive as some of these negros coming here from other places we would still be in slavery. Our radicalness from Slavery, to Civil War, and etc is why the USA is a viable option for non-whites, PERIOD. What does 1900s mean when Africans been in this land fighting since the 1500’s?

 

[HarlemHottie]

If African Americans were as passive as some of these negros coming here from other places we would still be in slavery.

 

[BigMan]

I stated that African Americans made the USA a viable alternative for other Blacks across the world. My Masonic brother said I need to let White supremacy ride but my point was that if African Americans did that the USA wouldn’t have been an option for his family. If African Americans were as passive as some of these negros coming here from other places we would still be in slavery. Our radicalness from Slavery, to Civil War, and etc is why the USA is a viable option for non-whites, PERIOD. What does 1900s mean when Africans been in this land fighting since the 1500’s?

eh not really. but i'll let you have this one.

 

[Deuterion]

eh not really. but i'll let you have this one.

You didn’t “let me have this one”...history did.

 

[BigMan]

You didn’t “let me have this one”...history did.

Yes, I agree

 

[theworldismine13]

interesting theory but I think it needs to be fleshed out more.

But one thing I realized when I was reading about the racial issues in Sudan is that Sudan is the Dominican Republic of the arab world. Sudan is mostly black and they speak arab, DR is mostly black and they speak spanish. And when you read about the issues both inside the country and their relations with other countries in their respective spheres (latin america, arab world) the same exact issues come up.

people thinking their language makes them not black
refusing to be called black
other countries looking at them funny when they see a black person speaking the language
discrimination against dark skin

etc

 

[theworldismine13]

historically not all the way true.

its all the way true, there was a trickle of caribbeans during most of the 20th century, but the flood of non european immigration began with the immigration act in 1967 which was a result of civil rights movement, pretty much all non european immigrants to america owe their presence here to the agitation of the civil rights movement aka black americans

 

[Json]

IDK..when you look at Mexican Americans that have been here for generations they don't speak Spanish...its just usually just the first and second generations that speak their mother languages

lookat Nuyoricans..most of them can't speak a lick of Spanish

I think the difference is that they still hold their identity though. They don’t hold Korean or China parades in the middle of a city.

I think that’s a large part of why they haven’t politically chosen a side despite how much vitriol Republicans spew at them. There are enough of them coming from all of South America to simply “Alamo” white people out of the Republican Party.