Should P. Buttigeg disclose his work at McKinsey? Edit#2: Releases companies names

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This question was inspired by this NY times article:


Buttigieg’s Untenable Vow of Silence
He needs to give voters more information about his work for the consulting firm McKinsey.


Pete Buttigieg worked nearly three years for the consulting firm McKinsey & Company, and he has presented that experience as a kind of capitalist credential — distinguishing him from some rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, and inoculating him against Republican attacks.

“They’ll try the socialist thing,” Mr. Buttigieg told an Iowa audience in September, referring to a likely line of attack by President Trump and his allies against whichever Democrat emerges as his opponent in next year’s election, “but the thing is, I got started in the private sector.”

The thing is, Mr. Buttigieg has said precious little about his time at McKinsey. He has not named the clients for whom he worked, nor said much about what he did. He says his lips are sealed by a nondisclosure agreement he signed when he left the firm in 2010 and that he has asked the company to release him from the agreement. It has not yet agreed to do so.

This is not a tenable situation. Mr. Buttigieg owes voters a more complete account of his time at the company. Voters seeking an alternative to Mr. Trump should demand that candidates not only reject Mr. Trump’s positions, but also his behavior — including his refusal to share information about his health and his business dealings. This standard requires Mr. Buttigieg to talk about his time at McKinsey. It similarly requires Joe Biden and Senator Bernie Sanders to stop dragging their feet and release their health records to the public.


In Mr. Buttigieg’s case, the most straightforward solution is for McKinsey to release him from his vows of silence — or at least to substitute a significantly more permissive agreement.

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The obligation to provide more information, however, ultimately falls on Mr. Buttigieg. He must find a way to give voters a more complete accounting of his time at the company.


What he has provided, so far, is a kind of romanticized sketch of the life of a consultant.

“Back to the U.S. in 2007,” Mr. Buttigieg wrote in his 2019 memoir, Shortest Way Home, “I landed a job in Chicago at McKinsey & Company, and my classroom was everywhere — a conference room, a serene corporate office, the break room of a retail store, a safe house in Iraq, or an airplane seat — any place that could accommodate me and my laptop.”

In various interviews, he has said working at McKinsey taught him about the power of big data, that it taught him “street smarts,” and that it convinced him to enter public service.

He has not offered the kind of details necessary to take the measure of that account.

Instead, in some more recent interviews, Mr. Buttigieg has sought to play down his McKinsey years, telling one reporter, “It’s not something that I think is essential in my story.”

But that is inconsistent with the manner in which Mr. Buttigieg has chosen to present himself to voters, as a candidate with roots in the private sector. Those three years at McKinsey represent Mr. Buttigieg’s only substantial claim on such experience.

The McKinsey experience also looms large because Mr. Buttigieg is running on a short résumé. Those three years account for fully 20 percent of his post-college career.


And working at McKinsey is not quite the résumé booster it used to be.

The Times reported this week that the consulting firm has advised the Trump administration on the logistics of its cruel crackdown on immigration. McKinsey also has offered its services as a consultant to brutal and corrupt governments and state-owned enterprises in other countries, including China, Russia and Saudi Arabia.

Mr. Buttigieg has criticized the company, and cast the troubles as largely postdating his tenure. “As somebody who left the firm a decade ago, seeing what certain people in that firm have decided to do is extremely frustrating and extremely disappointing,” he told CNN.

But that’s an incomplete answer. Mr. Buttigieg needs to explain what he did at McKinsey.





Edit: He releases the companies names

The client list includes:

  • Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan

  • Best Buy

  • the Natural Resources Defense Council

  • the Environmental Protection Agency

  • the U.S. Department of Energy

  • the United States Postal Service

  • the U.S. Department of Defense

  • the Energy Foundation

  • Loblaws, a Canadian supermarket chain
 
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He doesn't need to lay out the specifics of his performance reviews but he should at least lay out what his official job description was per his employer. People can interpret and read between the lines from there.
 

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Also I want to know who he worked for and when. They’ve had some shady as clients over the years and have been involved in some shady as actions.
 

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My man said he was working in Iraqi safe houses :patrice:...I think that warrants further disclosure about what he was doing at McKinsey. If it turns out he was just getting people coffee and creating excel spreadsheets, then just disclose and there's no problem, we can all move on. The lack of transparency is what's driving the conspiracy theorizing. If this basic ask is too much for Pete, then he can drop out. Being President isn't a right, it's a privilege.
 

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I have some friends post-MBA who are MBB consultants. They're probably more senior than Pete ever was in his brief stint at McKinsey.

They have little say in what clients they're on and majority of their time is spent making and re-making power points.

There are substantive attacks on Pete, but this isn't one of them.
 

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I have some friends post-MBA who are MBB consultants. They're probably more senior than Pete ever was in his brief stint at McKinsey.

They have little say in what clients they're on and majority of their time is spent making and re-making power points.

There are substantive attacks on Pete, but this isn't one of them.

I wonder how many jobs he helped destroy and offshore between 07'-10'


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Must've been pretty well compensated considering all of the gaps in his employment history

He's had a very short professional career and his stint as a mayor is a dumpster fire


He's completely unqualified
 

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I have some friends post-MBA who are MBB consultants. They're probably more senior than Pete ever was in his brief stint at McKinsey.

They have little say in what clients they're on and majority of their time is spent making and re-making power points.

There are substantive attacks on Pete, but this isn't one of them.

If he was working for a company that did evil shyt, he participated at all (no matter how much say he had), and then later big-ups his experience with that company as evidence of how he's so qualified to campaign for the presidency, then it DOES matter.
 
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I have some friends post-MBA who are MBB consultants. They're probably more senior than Pete ever was in his brief stint at McKinsey.

They have little say in what clients they're on and majority of their time is spent making and re-making power points.

There are substantive attacks on Pete, but this isn't one of them.
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This isn't an attack on Pete anymore than asking Trump to release his tax returns is an attack on him. It's about basic standards of transparency when running for President. Pete worked for a company notorious for doing fukked up shyt. No one is saying that alone disqualifies him for running for President, we're saying he should need to fill in the currently redacted portion of his resume before continuing with his run.

You can't get hired at Starbucks with just the names of your previous employers on your resume, but it's ok for a Presidential nominee?
 

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I wonder how many jobs he helped destroy and offshore between 07'-10'


:mjgrin:

Must've been pretty well compensated considering all of the gaps in his employment history

He's had a very short professional career and his stint as a mayor is a dumpster fire


He's completely unqualified

I doubt any. He was only with McKinsey for three years so at best he was a senior analyst. I don’t know much about management consulting but in investment banking people in the first 2-3 years are only analyst and only post MBA are associates. I doubt Pete ran his own team at any stage.
 

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If he was working for a company that did evil shyt, he participated at all (no matter how much say he had), and then later big-ups his experience with that company as evidence of how he's so qualified to campaign for the presidency, then it DOES matter.

My wife used to design murder birds for a defense contractor. She knows it was wrong now. She didn't realize it was wrong then. She considers that a deficit in her history, not an accolade.
you can find questionable to evil shyt at every single company over a certain size...wtf? if he's making go to market plans for retail companies or working on logistics plans, yall really gonna extend nefarious engagements of the topmost officials and their networks to him? this is where i question what reality some of yall live in.

MBB is great pay, if you want to stay in business it opens doors to damn near every company at a higher level than you'd likely be in had you applied as a practitioner and their alumni networks are well connected. no shyt someone would want to work there and see it as a critical door opener.

and your wife example is completely different as she was directly involved with said objectionable project...
 

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This isn't an attack on Pete anymore than asking Trump to release his tax returns is an attack on him. It's about basic standards of transparency when running for President. Pete worked for a company notorious for doing fukked up shyt. No one is saying that alone disqualifies him for running for President, we're saying he should need to fill in the currently redacted portion of his resume before continuing with his run.

You can't get hired at Starbucks with just the names of your previous employers on your resume, but it's ok for a Presidential nominee?
homophobe:pacspit:
 

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You can't get hired at Starbucks with just the names of your previous employers on your resume, but it's ok for a Presidential nominee?
again, yall are trying too hard here. he could tell you he built models, doubled revenue, etc. the same types of bullet points that would be on any resume and yall still would be crying about what clients it was for. on the flip, he could list the clients and then yall would cry about not knowing what the projects were.
 

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you can find questionable to evil shyt at every single company over a certain size...wtf? if he's making go to market plans for retail companies or working on logistics plans, yall really gonna extend nefarious engagements of the topmost officials and their networks to him? this is where i question what reality some of yall live in.

MBB is great pay, if you want to stay in business it opens doors to damn near every company at a higher level than you'd likely be in had you applied as a practitioner and their alumni networks are well connected. no shyt someone would want to work there and see it as a critical door opener.

and your wife example is completely different as she was directly involved with said objectionable project...
Uh, my very next words after the ones you bolded were "he participated".

Of course, if we don't know what he did, then we don't know what he participated in.
 
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