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Waiting until marriage for sex has pretty much been banished to a fringe practice only done by hardcore religious types, but for a while it was standard practice and common knowledge that this was the way to go. Women were sold that casual sex would liberate them and men were just happy to get easy sex. Hindsight being 20/20 and all we can look back and see that this cheapening of sex was a net negative.

1. Women and unattainable standards

By making a man prove his level of commitment and show his ability to provide, it created a reasonable picture of a woman's "market value" by looking at her suitors. No man would go through months, maybe years of courtship, pony up for an engagement ring, and pledge the rest of his life for a woman he honestly couldn't see spending his life with. Even if she wanted the tall, rich, handsome stud like all women, if he wasn't at her door with flowers she knew that she wasn't on that level.

In today's climate though, that stud could be drunk, going through a dry spell, or just bored. He'll slide through, sex that average girl, and she'll forever be chasing that high while never getting commitment, which turns into bitterness. Reminds me of the famous M. Bison quote from SF the movie:
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The lower levels of men are completely frozen out and forgotten. Relegated to flesh lights, porn, and dreams of sex bots.

2. In the era of fast food sex, men have lost the drive to innovate, excel, or just be plain productive.

Its no secret that with each generation that passes, men are accomplishing less and less. Men routinely live at home with their mothers until their 30s or even 40s. I routinely try to help brothers in their mid to late 20s who've never seen their credit report and have no idea how it works. And I'm not even going to get into the "thugs" (done to death on this site). But the thing these unproductive men have in common is, they still get sex. Lots of sex, from different women.

Without the burden of proving you can provide for a woman for the rest of her life, you would think men would use this newfound energy and time to change the world. In fact it was the total opposite. The lowered cost of sex correlated directly with lower output and productivity of men.

3. The children
As said earlier, women can get dikk from a variety of men but commitment is elusive. Her last ditch effort (her hail mary so to speak) is to get one of the men she really wants to impregnate her. She'll catch him drunk, lie about being on birth control, even engage in "sperm jacking", where she takes sperm deposited on another body part or still in the condom and insert it into herself. As evidenced by the abysmal out of wedlock rate, we know that this tactic rarely works.

What follows is tragic. You have a father who is quite frankly ashamed of the mother of his child, and a mother who is bitter because she could not secure commitment. Sometimes the dad just decides he wants nothing to do with either of them. Sometimes he wants to be a dad but the Ill feelings between the parents makes that difficult.

Another unintended consequence of this strained relationship is improper raising of the child, especially boys. When the mother finally gets married or settles down, it won't be with a man on the level of what she was chasing in her prime. So you have the case of a young man with an "alpha" mindset (looks, attitude, stature), being "mentored" by a man who possesses none of those qualities. Its impossible for that man to relate to the life that kid has ahead of him.

I'm not knocking stepfathers, they try but a man who had to "wait his turn" in life can't effectively mentor a young man who will be/have first choice options. He needs his father to relate to (specific mistakes, pitfalls to avoid, advice on how to handle the attention.

I'm thinking this "progress" has actually set humanity back.
 

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I actually held a similar discussion with folks on this topic this past Sunday.

I think most brehs would actually do themselves a great service if they placed priority of getting familiar with the women of interest initially instead of trying to smash first.

My point was that young men should place value on improving themselves first instead of working on gaming women. Once he has knowledge of himself and what he wants

finding a compatible mate becomes easier. I think a lot of promiscuous men lack confidence and seek it through sexual proclivities with their female counterparts.
 

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I actually held a similar discussion with folks on this topic this past Sunday.

I think most brehs would actually do themselves a great service if they placed priority of getting familiar with the women of interest initially instead of trying to smash first.

My point was that young men should place value on improving themselves first instead of working on gaming women. Once he has knowledge of himself and what he wants

finding a compatible mate becomes easier. I think a lot of promiscuous men lack confidence and seek it through sexual proclivities with their female counterparts.

I'm reminded of a quote from Chris rock "if men could fukk women in a cardboard box, we wouldn't buy houses". We're almost at that point. The value of sex has dropped to a Netflix membership and a bottle of wine. The carrot has been taken off the stick
 

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I'm reminded of a quote from Chris rock "if men could fukk women in a cardboard box, we wouldn't buy houses". We're almost at that point. The value of sex has dropped to a Netflix membership and a bottle of wine. The carrot has been taken off the stick

I agree. I personally think it depends on who the friends of the individual are. If you have intelligent people in your circle that have knowledge of the impact that sex has on relationships, the less likely that person will be promiscous.

If you surround yourself with devalued individuals who do not see much worth in themselves then the chances are that you would follow suit in commonalities with that group of individuals (birds of a feather). Knowing what I do now, I would never sleep with a woman before we went out multiple times on dates.

Call it old fashioned but I would much rather take time to know a person before I lay down and become intimate with them therefore if we do become intimate and it doesn't work out, less mess follows in the aftermath.
 

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I agree. I personally think it depends on who the friends of the individual are. If you have intelligent people in your circle that have knowledge of the impact that sex has on relationships, the less likely that person will be promiscous.

If you surround yourself with devalued individuals who do not see much worth in themselves then the chances are that you would follow suit in commonalities with that group of individuals (birds of a feather). Knowing what I do now, I would never sleep with a woman before we went out multiple times on dates.

this.

i was corrupted from the age of like 12/13 cause thats all brehs talked about, made me think damn i need to up my sex up, brehs are fuking at age 12 and im 14, can relate to this post.

Call it old fashioned but I would much rather take time to know a person before I lay down and become intimate with them therefore if we do become intimate and it doesn't work out, less mess follows in the aftermath.

this is me now tho, although i feel like some expect you to pounce on them as soon as possible .
 

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I agree. I personally think it depends on who the friends of the individual are. If you have intelligent people in your circle that have knowledge of the impact that sex has on relationships, the less likely that person will be promiscous.

If you surround yourself with devalued individuals who do not see much worth in themselves then the chances are that you would follow suit in commonalities with that group of individuals (birds of a feather). Knowing what I do now, I would never sleep with a woman before we went out multiple times on dates.

Call it old fashioned but I would much rather take time to know a person before I lay down and become intimate with them therefore if we do become intimate and it doesn't work out, less mess follows in the aftermath.

You really have to make a conscious effort not to follow the herd. I know I did. It doesnt help that the music and media we consume tells us that this is the way we should live. For a while I was consumed with sex, drugs (just weed and alcohol), and partying. I didn't accomplish shyt lol. Its crazy looking back now.
 

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You really have to make a conscious effort not to follow the herd. I know I did. It doesnt help that the music and media we consume tells us that this is the way we should live. For a while I was consumed with sex, drugs (just weed and alcohol), and partying. I didn't accomplish shyt lol. Its crazy looking back now.

same breh,

some people dont get out this mentality until they're old
 

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I don't mind meeting a girl and waiting a few weeks to smash....but dating a lady for 2-4 years and waiting for marriage to have sex ain't for me :hhh:




Sex isn't the biggest deal in a relationship but it makes up like 30-35% of a relationship to me. I can't be stuck with a chick that's wack in bed and can't maintain:gucci:
 

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I don't want to bring the religious aspect of this in it. I know most on this site despise organized religion and God so I'll keep that one to myself...


but I agree. It has messed up the natural order. I mean (it's always happened, nothing new) it's crazy to see pregnant women getting married. Or celebrating unwed/single parents.


We go have the baby THEN try to get married. Ish is backwards. Not saying we have to be the white knight in shining armor but damn, look at our culture. Sex ain't even special no more. Certain things used to be special, sacred, now as long as ya'll half way like each other everything in play. No more suspense or build up. She make you wait (not even a couple weeks/months) a few dates and some dudes ready to break it off.

This all affects our social interactions, children, and relationships. We don't want to work for nothing anymore. Just selfish mentality. I say it all the time on here, half of yall grew up or were raised in single-parent households with a step parent. A generation ago, men who liked/loved women with children didn't need fanfare or praise, they raised the kids that came with the partner they loved (I'm generalizing). Again, some of yall are products of this...now? "if it ain't mines..." "that ain't my kid..." "I ain't raising nothing that isn't mines..." All the motivation nowadays is sex...Will go to the depths of the earth to game/finesse a chick out her clothes but won't take 10 min to fill out a job application. Won't better themselves past dressing nice or trying to flex in a luxury car.


We've cheapened love...

We've made it so people are terrified to commit or show that they like/love somebody...

We've made everything so damn simple and black and white (real life is about nuance, the gray areas)

We've become so vain and materialistic...

We've become so shallow and narcissistic...

Only things that matter are looking good, what you have, and what's going on in your little bubble...no care for the world at large or people as a whole...


We've got to fight back against what they're trying to program us to think/feel. Get back to loving. Getting to know someone. Holding out for lasting pleasure instead of chasing cheap non-committal sex. Go back to cherishing something that's worth it. Building up our men (kings) and women (queens) so that they don't take shorts. They strive for the best, to procreate and love only the best and most deserving...Not being someone's object. Not seeking "just sex" without commitment or responsibility...That's how we build up from the inside out...

I like the way you thinking tho OP
 

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I don't want to bring the religious aspect of this in it. I know most on this site despise organized religion and God so I'll keep that one to myself...


but I agree. It has messed up the natural order. I mean (it's always happened, nothing new) it's crazy to see pregnant women getting married. Or celebrating unwed/single parents.


We go have the baby THEN try to get married. Ish is backwards. Not saying we have to be the white knight in shining armor but damn, look at our culture. Sex ain't even special no more. Certain things used to be special, sacred, now as long as ya'll half way like each other everything in play. No more suspense or build up. She make you wait (not even a couple weeks/months) a few dates and some dudes ready to break it off.

This all affects our social interactions, children, and relationships. We don't want to work for nothing anymore. Just selfish mentality. I say it all the time on here, half of yall grew up or were raised in single-parent households with a step parent. A generation ago, men who liked/loved women with children didn't need fanfare or praise, they raised the kids that came with the partner they loved (I'm generalizing). Again, some of yall are products of this...now? "if it ain't mines..." "that ain't my kid..." "I ain't raising nothing that isn't mines..." All the motivation nowadays is sex...Will go to the depths of the earth to game/finesse a chick out her clothes but won't take 10 min to fill out a job application. Won't better themselves past dressing nice or trying to flex in a luxury car.


We've cheapened love...

We've made it so people are terrified to commit or show that they like/love somebody...

We've made everything so damn simple and black and white (real life is about nuance, the gray areas)

We've become so vain and materialistic...

We've become so shallow and narcissistic...

Only things that matter are looking good, what you have, and what's going on in your little bubble...no care for the world at large or people as a whole...


We've got to fight back against what they're trying to program us to think/feel. Get back to loving. Getting to know someone. Holding out for lasting pleasure instead of chasing cheap non-committal sex. Go back to cherishing something that's worth it. Building up our men (kings) and women (queens) so that they don't take shorts. They strive for the best, to procreate and love only the best and most deserving...Not being someone's object. Not seeking "just sex" without commitment or responsibility...That's how we build up from the inside out...

I like the way you thinking tho OP

That was beautiful man. Somebody cutting onions in here

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