Seth Rollins went full Davey Richards

[Hey_zeus]

It's borderline Canadian destroyer, dozens of superkicks level of scust for me. I use it as a finisher for my CAW in 2k19 so I got love for it when used better.

 

[Homer Simpson]

That's why Brock will have to squash him for the bulture. The marks complain about Brock but he restores the cultural experience

 

[Sonny Creems]

My man came thru with the straw man. I'll entertain it.

Daniel Bryan not selling that was indeed lame. Great wrestler. Great match. Lame aspect of it. None of these dudes are perfect. Bryan, AJ, Seth...on down the list. And I don't think folks hate Seth. He's definitely still the consensus best wrestler of 2018 in the WWE to a lot of people i'd think?

But in the interest of fairness, if Bryan not selling his knee irks you, then Seth's coming back from injury, selling his knee on defense and forgetting it so he can high fly for several moves (Phoenix Splash, Ripcord Knee, Springboard knee and clothesline, Superplex into a sometimes deadlift Falcon Arrow all using the knee) should stand out more?

The superplex being a move that usually gets two counts because in kayfabe it wipes both guys out resulting in delayed pins being no sold by Seth (and some times his opponent if they're countering the arrow) into a Falcon Arrow for a two doesn't stand out?

Like there are degrees to this. Bryan's being at one level, and IMO Seth being at another as well as in EVERY match.

I'd say he's in the argument for best wrestler of 2018 for sure but reading this thread u would think otherwise, which is what I take issue with. To dismiss dude's skill level as a wrestler because of ONE spot u hate and a lack of selling which is a EVERYONE problem is disingenuous. I'll simply correct one thing not to take away from ur point but its easy to miss: Seth's injured knee hardly ever gets worked. He blew out his right knee, WWE style works the left. But with that being said I surely when I see dude getting ALL his shyt in after said working. Wrestlemania vs HHH being a prime example. I'll probly bring this up in the Raw thread but Seth is overexposed right now.

 

[Art Barr]

Read the title thinking Seth was channeling Davey Boy Smith and cut a promo talking about he's bizarre

You're better than this, my high guy.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I'd say he's in the argument for best wrestler of 2018 for sure but reading this thread u would think otherwise, which is what I take issue with. To dismiss dude's skill level as a wrestler because of ONE spot u hate and a lack of selling which is a EVERYONE problem is disingenuous. I'll simply correct one thing not to take away from ur point but its easy to miss: Seth's injured knee hardly ever gets worked. He blew out his right knee, WWE style works the left. But with that being said I surely when I see dude getting ALL his shyt in after said working. Wrestlemania vs HHH being a prime example. I'll probly bring this up in the Raw thread but Seth is overexposed right now.

Dawg,...

It is obvious Rollins is hhh's troll joke slash avatar on the Indy crowd at this point.
At this point it is obvious he was riding the comeuppance. Gifted to him being carried from a departing Danielson and Aries on roh tv.
One thing I give the kid is.
at least he transformed his body. Yet, it is obvious he is not this top flight Indy talent for real like that. He was carried then pouched to make jnto a clique based avatar. Just so as not to disturb the stable legacy of the clique via dx and nwo. When the shield should have been booked as the guard that takes over the WWE ala the nwo.
Just from a position of power and violence ala the horsemen. Who flank heyman, as the mastermind and Brock as heyman's fight the big bad corporate wwe.
Meets the vigilante slash heel/tweener.
Instead, all we got was nuffin near.
what should have been the vehicle and way.
to power check the mcmahon's on camera via angle and normalize the fed. Yet this company is so inept. The wwe thinks they can create a boom via marketing money and spreadsheet validation. Instead of creating a boom via high quality product. Which would produce more actual marketing money checks and more profit via real profit gained spreadsheet validation.

Rollins is ruined because he was made into hhh's avatar. When realistically. Rollins should have been the mute stable mate shield enforcer. That was just some bad ass next level inring talent that made sense.

Rollins is ruined because the mcmahon's are inept. Plus precipitate and revisit over and over how they killed the last boom. Wrasslin is only dumb as an overall product because the main visible company is inept.



Art Barr

I wish the rock would get his family the real bullet club, cm punk.
To make a company to put WWE completely out of business. The shyt is simple for the rock to do at this point. He would kill off the WWE real quick. Plus create a mass exodus that eventually he would pouch the Bryans and aj styles.
Leaving the WWE with their mma roid phoney diverticulitis ruined physique era Hogan.


Art Barr

 

[krackdagawd]

That's why Brock will have to squash him for the bulture. The marks complain about Brock but he restores the cultural experience

I don't like Seth at all I legit don't get why people call him a good wrestler. Matter of fact all of the shield are trash individually to me


Good thing we have Brock Thanos to bring balance and squash these vanilla midgets and giant non wrestling oafs

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

Y'all know how I DESPISE this retarded ass spot, now this motherfukker did it FROM THE TOP OF THE CAGE



I just can't call him a good wrestler when he continues to push for this kind of wrestling. Crowd loved it though, this shyt is just not for me how many of you like this type of stuff?

Didnt click. He didnt.... He couldnt have... you never go full Davey....

 

[Jmare007]

I'd say he's in the argument for best wrestler of 2018 for sure but reading this thread u would think otherwise, which is what I take issue with. To dismiss dude's skill level as a wrestler because of ONE spot u hate and a lack of selling which is a EVERYONE problem is disingenuous.

To clarify, I didn't say I can't call him a good wrestler just because of this spot, but this is the type of shyt Seth keeps pushing on his matches: high spots that make little to no sense to get a pop from the crowd. That kind of stuff is fine, and there's no doubt it's effective with the live audience. But I have an issue when dude can't work a shine or a control segment to safe his life and relies more and more in this retarded shyt to get people interested in his matches. And he keeps doing these sequences that come of as completely choreographed (I blame Okada making people think everyone could pull those types of sequences off, when not even him can do it convincingly all the time). That might be fun to watch from time to time - specially on sprints, which Seth, sadly, rarely has - but it's not close to what I see as top level wrestling

RE: selling in general. I completely agree, it's become a lost art of sorts to find good, consistent selling. But I also think current wrestling makes it almost impossible for wrestlers to do a credible job when their leg is being worked on. The most effective stuff I've seen lately are from guys like Nomura and Hashimoto, who at least make it very clear it hurts like a motherfukker to use it, I wish more people would do that tbh.

 

[BrehWyatt]

Without even watching the video, the superplex off the cage should have ended the match.

 

[Starboy52]

 

[Sonny Creems]

To clarify, I didn't say I can't call him a good wrestler just because of this spot, but this is the type of shyt Seth keeps pushing on his matches: high spots that make little to no sense to get a pop from the crowd. That kind of stuff is fine, and there's no doubt it's effective with the live audience. But I have an issue when dude can't work a shine or a control segment to safe his life and relies more and more in this retarded shyt to get people interested in his matches. And he keeps doing these sequences that come of as completely choreographed (I blame Okada making people think everyone could pull those types of sequences off, when not even him can do it convincingly all the time). That might be fun to watch from time to time - specially on sprints, which Seth, sadly, rarely has - but it's not close to what I see as top level wrestling

RE: selling in general. I completely agree, it's become a lost art of sorts to find good, consistent selling. But I also think current wrestling makes it almost impossible for wrestlers to do a credible job when their leg is being worked on. The most effective stuff I've seen lately are from guys like Nomura and Hashimoto, who at least make it very clear it hurts like a motherfukker to use it, I wish more people would do that tbh.

Thanks for expounding on ur opinion cuz I definitely hear u. I definitely don't like the interchangeable autopilot slingblade ------> dive outside -------> blockbuster --------> burn it down combo but so goes the WWE style. Like I mentioned I believe its a byproduct of dude being overexposed. We see it time and time again so it became predictable. To be fair about that tho we always have to remember they play on the idea that ppl are always tuning in for the first time.

As far as the selling goes, my biggest gripe today is how fast dudes get up after big spots. What ever happened to the 10 count? Dudes get up on what would be 4 the latest.

I don't watch much of the NJPW stuff but it's always come off more realistic because those dudes really be whooping each others ass all over the ring so when a man is selling his leg it probly really hurts like a mf lol.

But yea dude could use some time off TV. Its about time for Apollo vs The World. No one with a live mic will be safe....but I'll talk about that later

 

[Jmare007]

As far as the selling goes, my biggest gripe today is how fast dudes get up after big spots. What ever happened to the 10 count? Dudes get up on what would be 4 the latest.

I don't watch much of the NJPW stuff but it's always come off more realistic because those dudes really be whooping each others ass all over the ring so when a man is selling his leg it probly really hurts like a mf lol.

If that's the kind of selling you like to see in matches, there's a better alternative to New Japan....Big Japan's Strong division

 

[Sonny Creems]

If that's the kind of selling you like to see in matches, there's a better alternative to New Japan....Big Japan's Strong division

I don't know if that death match type of shyt is for me anymore . I watched a video of the 100 most brutal chair shots and realized I'm good with them shyts being banned

 

[Jmare007]

I don't know if that death match type of shyt is for me anymore . I watched a video of the 100 most brutal chair shots and realized I'm good with them shyts being banned

that's the deathmatch division breh, I'm talking about the non hardcore stuff. The Strong Division is

 

[Sonny Creems]

that's the deathmatch division breh, I'm talking about the non hardcore stuff. The Strong Division is

Where can I find that stuff? The youtube is a bloodbath