SELMA' STAR DAVID OYELOWO BLACK BRIT CAN PLAY HARRIET TUBMAN White Actors Don't Get This Criticism.

[get these nets]

"HOW?" The guy who played MLK said it perfectly: 'they're unshackled from our history.'

They're not painting themselves into a corner, they'll do quite well with this technique. White people love it when you promise to never bring up their sins.

By bringing their ethnicity into the picture, they negate whatever individual talent they have or displayed in the role.
Conceivably, ANY non AA actor would be equally unshackled from the history of MLK.

These actors are so pretentious it's sickening.

 

[generic-username]

The general problem is that Ados have been led to believe they are the top Black people in the world..hence the most special and most deserving. The ones who get first dibs and sit at the high table.

Just as American cacs think they're the top humans on earth, equally Ados share the same sentiments but in a Black context.
This is why there are arguments over basic shyt. Ados see a foreign Black person playing an AA and people are ready to burn Hollywood to the ground. Yet Ados will play countless Africans in upcoming movies and the excuse is well it's fine because those are movies produced by American cacs

Your post is so accurate. When I posted here that a lot of Black Americans are just basically White Americans in Black skin. I was negged to oblivion. Most Black Americans share the same worldview as their white counterparts.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

This was the thing in the thread that puzzled me. I had to look up her birth year, because I thought she might have been younger than what I thought.
But ,NO, she was born in the early 70s....like I figured...and she grew up in England like I figured.

I find it almost impossible to believe that she had NEVER heard of MLK's wife before playing in the made for tv film about his life. American media travels the globe, and the MLK holiday became law in 83. If she never heard of him before or after..certainly the British media covered the birthday becoming a holiday in America.And surely they showed a picture of CSK at the funeral.

Brits reading this, am I being naive here? I always assumed that (all)people across the globe who didn't know about African Americans were at least aware of MLK, Muhammad Ali, and Michael Jackson.

How many legendary black brits that fought for civil rights do you know?

Not sure why you would think blacks schooled in white countries will be well versed on black civil rights heros from other nations.

That being said, i do think owelowo is a c00n.

 

[HarlemHottie]

By bringing their ethnicity into the picture, they negate whatever individual talent they have or displayed in the role.
Conceivably, ANY non AA actor would be equally unshackled from the history of MLK.
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No, you misunderstand. They're not pushing individual talent. Nobody's claiming to be a great actor, cuz they ain't. They're lobbying as a group, a union if you will, to push ADOS actors out. (Also see: "British actors are better trained" trope.)

 

[get these nets]

How many legendary black brits that fought for civil rights do you know?

Not sure why you would think blacks schooled in white countries will be well versed on black civil rights heros from other nations.

• MLK became an international figure when he won the Nobel Peace Prize.That international profile is what helped him put heat on America by exposing the hypocrisy of how USA presented itself to the world.
  
• USA and UK are closely tied in culture, so it's not as simple as comparing a random white country to the US
• I've posted vids and threads here about pioneers from the Windrush generation and of Blacks in UK colones in the Caribbean who fought for their countries to be independent......do a search with my name.
• What you meant to ask me was how many black actors here do I think could name an iconic Black Brit who fought for Black rights ?

Well versed would be if she knew who founded SNCC, who Bull Connor was, etc. Knowing who MLK's wife wouldn't require her to be well versed.
Again, I've said a few times here that it just might be me being naive.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

I have no problem with Africans but these nikkas acting like what’s the big deal when it comes to ethnicity.


I guarantee if I called an Yoruba an Igbo and Vice Versa they would be pissed ( and rightfully so)

I’ll go one step further. Imagine if Denzel Washington went to Nigeria and played Emeka during a biography of the Biafra war I bet my last dollar those Nigerians would be pissed ( and rightfully so)

I bet if Sanna Lathan played Ellen Johnson in an biography it would not be reciprocated so easily in Liberia.

FOH.

I mean.....Denzel played Steve Biko in Cry Freedom.

Morgan Freeman played Nelson Mandela in Invictus.

Forest Whitaker played Idi Amin in The Last King of Scotland.

Don Cheadle played Paul Rusesabagina in Hotel Rwanda.

There's a pretty long history of black Americans and Africans playing each other's heroes in movies.

I'm not shocked by the British invasion. So many of their actors are classically trained with theater backgrounds. More experienced while also being cheaper is a combination that studios love.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Really depends on the role tbh.

Shaka Zulu - Henry Cele, no American OR Brit could play the role better than he did. When he started speaking Zulu to the whites

Malcolm X is another movie....no British actor is capturing that man better than Denzel

I think Selma was aiight. However if they did a full on biopic of MLKs entire life and got into great detail, mannerisms, highs/lows, personal demons etc., not sure Oyelowo could have made it work.

Are we going to forget Idris Elba playing Nelson Mandela???

 

[dterpsss]

Slaves came from Africa so that can’t be the issue, the issue is she’s known to have disrespectful to AAs

 

[get these nets]

No, you misunderstand. They're not pushing individual talent. Nobody's claiming to be a great actor, cuz they ain't. They're lobbying as a group, a union if you will, to push ADOS actors out. (Also see: "British actors are better trained" trope.)

I'm not sure that it's a group effort to replace African American actors. Spike Lee himself was repeating the "British actors are better trained" trope. He got the platform he said it on to scrub it from the net, but I've posted the audio here a few times. Spike is straight AA, and personally set off the renaissance of AA films in the 80s. I say all that to say that this perception was/is apparently widely held if a Morehouse man was saying it publicly ears ago.

The Morehouse man who wasn't ever going for it, Samuel L. Jackson, tried to call out the past Hollywood decisions that created the opening for Black Brits.Hollywood casting rappers in big studio films,and dramatic roles instead of young Black actors trying to pay their dues. AA rappers with NO acting experience or training, getting nods over trained AA actors trying to get acting credits. I'm sure some capable and talented AA actors got discouraged and went back home after losing roles to Method Man.

First film I ever David Oyelowo in was Red Tails, featuring Method Man and NEYO in dramatic roles. Can't make this stuff up.

Only one person in this picture has any kind of theater training

Progress of that next pool of AA actors was blocked because of casting decisions to put marketable AA rappers/singers in roles in film & tv. A lot of the talented ones said fukk it and left the business. Equally well trained Brits came in. Hollywood found a loophole to get well trained hungry actors to play roles for less than what an equally trained American actor would get. Brits did well in the roles they got, the rest is history.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I'm not sure that it's a group effort to replace African American actors. Spike Lee himself was repeating the "British actors are better trained" trope. He got the platform he said it on to scrub it from the net, but I've posted the audio here a few times. Spike is straight AA, and personally set off the renaissance of AA films in the 80s. I say all that to say that this perception was/is apparently widely held if a Morehouse man was saying it publicly ears ago.

The Morehouse man who wasn't ever going for it, Samuel L. Jackson, tried to call out the past Hollywood decisions that created the opening for Black Brits.Hollywood casting rappers in big studio films,and dramatic roles instead of young Black actors trying to pay their dues. AA rappers with NO acting experience or training, getting nods over trained AA actors trying to get acting credits. I'm sure some capable and talented AA actors got discouraged and went back home after losing roles to Method Man.

First film I ever David Oyelowo in was Red Tails, featuring Method Man and NEYO in dramatic roles. Can't make this stuff up.

Only one person in this picture has any kind of theater training

Progress of that next pool of AA actors was blocked because of casting decisions to put marketable AA rappers/singers in roles in film & tv. A lot of the talented ones said fukk it and left the business. Equally well trained Brits came in. Hollywood found a loophole to get well trained hungry actors to play roles for less than what an equally trained American actor would get. Brits did well in the roles they got, the rest is history.

I'm on my tablet so it's super annoying to go back and chop up your post, bold what i want, etc, but I'll address two points.

One, Spike Lee is a director. He's not in direct competition with foreign actors. If anything, he'd benefit from their competitively cheap labor. Also, on a local level, ever since he did that ad for the NYPD, nikkas been looking at him kinda funny.

Two, back to the cheap labor. The method you describe, of coming into a new market and undercutting the existing labor pool, was the same method used by the Irish (against us too, incidentally). I read that the church mapped out the approach for them. Same thing Mexicans are doing to the ADOS labor market now. Am I supposed to consider this a good thing?

 

[Low End Derrick]

How many legendary black brits that fought for civil rights do you know?

Not sure why you would think blacks schooled in white countries will be well versed on black civil rights heros from other nations.

That being said, i do think owelowo is a c00n.

i'm pretty sure they're aware of mlk. he went there a couple times

his wife on the other hand, people probably aren't as clued up on her

 

[get these nets]

I'm on my tablet so it's super annoying to go back and chop up your post, bold what i want, etc, but I'll address two points.

One, Spike Lee is a director. He's not in direct competition with foreign actors. If anything, he'd benefit from their competitively cheap labor. Also, on a local level, ever since he did that ad for the NYPD, nikkas been looking at him kinda funny.

Two, back to the cheap labor. The method you describe, of coming into a new market and undercutting the existing labor pool, was the same method used by the Irish (against us too, incidentally). I read that the church mapped out the approach for them. Same thing Mexicans are doing to the ADOS labor market now. Am I supposed to consider this a good thing?

I brought up Spike because as a decision making who makes casting hires, the fact that even HE was saying that publicly years ago indicates that it was/is a widely held perception among others in decision making positions.

I don't see this wave African Americans artists being replaced as much as I see it as part of the pattern where decision makers move on to whatever trend they see. Doesn't make it right, but people who control financing and platforms will call whatever shots they want, and pull the plug when they want.
I'm a big fan of Black cinema. When Hollywood pulled the plug on the Black action movies of the early 70s (while they were still profitable)...when TV industry pulled plug on Black shows (first on Fox) , then on UPN years later (while the audiences and ratings were good)....decisions were made to go in another direction.
"Blaxploitation" stars of 70s, Fox and UPN stars are on camera in interviews wondering why the plug was pulled.
Erica Alexander was the most recent star to air that out
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/eri...wn-how-living-single-got-screwed-over.618542/
Media followed a formula, made money from it....and decided to follow a different formula. I see what's happening today as part of the same pattern.

If people are promoting AA owned cinema/media, I am 100% behind that...but the current white power brokers,and white people who fund projects are always going to move in whatever direction they want.

 

[Shadow King]

British actors period been running shyt for a minute we're not exempt...

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Dat Ether

 

[Shadow King]

Those were American films

And?