Scientists Successfully Teach Monkey Theory of Evolution

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Ms.CuriousCat said:
lool no, science is science it doesn't have an ulterior motive. You observe something, construct a theory, conduct an experiment, find evidence publish said evidence it's reviewed by your peers then you move closer to your theory being fact or fiction.

There is no ulterior motive, it's just a process.


So all I said was, if you argue evolution is a fact go and find the evidence (from google). Someone else saying so is not evidence.
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Agreed entirely with the bolded part. The theories we have are the best explanation for the evidence we have found. So the best explanation is what we teach, hoping that those that learn it will study it more and move it towards an even better explanation with further evidence.

So why're you 'lolling' at it, or even mentioning creation as if it's a viable alternative?
 
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noon said:
Agreed entirely with the bolded part. The theories we have are the best explanation for the evidence we have found. So the best explanation is what we teach, hoping that those that learn it will study it more and move it towards an even better explanation with further evidence.

So why're you 'lolling' at it, or even mentioning creation as if it's a viable alternative?
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I lolled because I thought what you said was funny. I mentioned creation because the article said something inaccurate which was to equate creationism with a 10,000 year creation argument. Some people believe that, not all. I was merely pointing that out.
 
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Hollywood Hogan said:
Observed Instances of Speciation

THERE ARE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF OBSERVED SPECIATION LISTED AND EXPLAINED THOROUGHLY AT THAT LINK, BROTHER!
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Have you read that? Do you know what he's arguing?

His bottom line comes down to arguing about and changing the definition of the word species. Then finding examples that kind of fit his new definition while some still didn't.


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What do you mean?
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The theory of evolution is a series of arguments. I may accept it as a fact but that doesn't mean I can literally prove to you that it is accurate. Until you have enough evidence to make a theory infallible it's not called a fact and even then it's only as infallible as the results of next discrediting experiment.

I was researching the definition of specie since the paper @Hollywood Hogan posted was pretty much based on the definition and whatnot and came across definitions that are based on the assumption of evolution being a fact. That's a real life example of putting the horse before the cart.
 
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Ms.CuriousCat said:
Have you read that? Do you know what he's arguing?

His bottom line comes down to arguing about and changing the definition of the word species. Then finding examples that kind of fit his new definition while some still didn't.
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I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ARGUE DEFINITIONS INSTEAD OF POINTING OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT PAGE, BROTHER! YOU SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION BECAUSE IT OFFENDS YOUR RELIGIOUS SENSIBILITIES, DUDE!
 
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Hollywood Hogan said:
I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ARGUE DEFINITIONS INSTEAD OF POINTING OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT PAGE, BROTHER! YOU SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION BECAUSE IT OFFENDS YOUR RELIGIOUS SENSIBILITIES, DUDE!
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Maybe.

Or maybe I'm just not as optimistic as I think I am. I just don't, down to my soul, believe in things happening for no reason. That one day bacteria just started eating each other and voila a different kind of cell was formed. Then they started splitting and after a billion years voila! they're now fish.

You have more faith than I do. One good/beneficial thing happening to you might be luck, two may be a coincidence but all the stars lining up for a one in a too many zeros to count occurrence....something's got to give.
 
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Ms.CuriousCat said:
Maybe.

Or maybe I'm just not as optimistic as I think I am. I just don't, down to my soul, believe in things happening for no reason. That one day bacteria just started eating each other and voila a different kind of cell was formed. Then they started splitting and after a billion years voila! they're now fish.

You have more faith than I do. One good/beneficial thing happening to you might be luck, two may be a coincidence but all the stars lining up for a one in a too many zeros to count occurrence....something's got to give.
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That's possibly because you see life or existence as some kind of finish point. That's why you see reason. Things just happened to bacteria and our current state is the outcome. If you have near infinite time and space then all options are possible, including our 'one in a too many zeros to count' chance. Think of this example:

Although you are new at golf, you have just hit a beautiful 200-yard drive and your ball has landed on a blade of grass near the cup at Hole 3. The green contains ten million blades of grass. The odds of your ball landing on that blade of grass are 9,999,999 to one against, too improbable to have happened by mere chance. What’s the explanation?
  1. The wind guided it
  2. Your muscles guided it
  3. There is no need for an explanation
  4. You consciously designed your shot to land on that particular blade
 
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noon said:
That's possibly because you see life or existence as some kind of finish point. That's why you see reason. Things just happened to bacteria and our current state is the outcome. If you have near infinite time and space then all options are possible, including our 'one in a too many zeros to count' chance. Think of this example:

Although you are new at golf, you have just hit a beautiful 200-yard drive and your ball has landed on a blade of grass near the cup at Hole 3. The green contains ten million blades of grass. The odds of your ball landing on that blade of grass are 9,999,999 to one against, too improbable to have happened by mere chance. What’s the explanation?
  1. The wind guided it
  2. Your muscles guided it
  3. There is no need for an explanation
  4. You consciously designed your shot to land on that particular blade
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I see where you're coming from however I think that's more of an argument that a theist would use. Someone had to be there to throw that ball. If you on the other hand, say that a ball one day just showed up on a blade of grass on its own and nothing outside of the ball or the grass exists...that's how I see evolution.

The thing is though our existence is finite. There was a beginning and there will be an end, the beginning part was proven through the big bang theory (in the Quran) and the end I am sure is only a matter of time until one is formulated (Quran says will be folded up)

Oh my, I went to google this out of curiosity just now and I found an actual theory, "the Big Crunch"
 
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