Sam Altman is a habitual liar and can't be trusted, says former OpenAI board member

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The former OpenAI board member Helen Toner has shared explosive new details about what led to CEO Sam Altman's brief ousting in November. In an interview with Bilawal Sidhu on "The TED AI Show" that aired Tuesday, Toner said Altman lied to the board "multiple" times.

One example Toner cited was that OpenAI's board learned about the release of ChatGPT on Twitter. She said Altman was "withholding information" and "misrepresenting things that were happening in the company" for years.

Toner — one of the board members who voted to kick Altman out — alleged that Altman also lied to the board by keeping them in the dark about the company's ownership structure. "Sam didn't inform the board that he owned the OpenAI startup fund, even though he constantly was claiming to be an independent board member with no financial interest in the company," she said.

Toner, who's a director of strategy at the Centre for Security and Emerging Technology at Georgetown, alleged that the OpenAI chief also gave board members "inaccurate information about the small number of formal safety processes" OpenAI had in place. She said that made it "basically impossible" for the board to understand whether the safety measures were sufficient or whether any changes were needed.

She said that there were other individual examples but that ultimately, "we just couldn't believe things that Sam was telling us, and that's a completely unworkable place to be in as a board." Toner added that it was "totally impossible" for the board to trust Altman's word. The role of the board, she said, was to have independent oversight of OpenAI and "not just helping the CEO to raise more money."

But then, last October, the board had several conversations in which two executives detailed their own experiences with Altman and used the phrase "psychological abuse," Toner said. She said the executives told the board that they "didn't think he was the right person to lead the company to AGI" and that "they had no belief that he could or would change, no point in giving him feedback, no point in trying to work through these issues."

By the time the board realized Altman needed replacing, Toner said, it was clear that Altman would "pull out all the stops" to block the board from going against him if he found out. She added that he "started lying to other board members in order to try and push me off the board."

"We were very careful, very deliberate about who we told, which was essentially almost no one in advance, other than obviously our legal team, and so that's kind of what took us to to November 17," she said.






Seriously sounds like a narcissist who is all in it for the money. This is the kind of collaborator who ends up building Skynet.
 

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Remember, this is the same guy who said that an important factor in his accountability was the fact that the board could fire him.




Then, when the board DID fire him, he cried to Microsoft, started a revolt among his employers, and forced himself back into the CEO chair while making most of the board resign.

He wants to have all the power and is willing to lie and manipulate to get it. This is the sort of person who humanity's future is now in the hands of.
 

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Notice that almost all the safety-conscious employees at Open AI are quitting, including the head of their alignment team, because they don't trust Altman anymore:







Since the old safety team fell apart, Open AI just formed a new one.......and it's headed by Altman himself. It's like he's laughing at everyone at this point.

 

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To be in the position he's in, I 100% believe he's a textbook narcist.

The need-to-know nature she described Altman pulling with the board is fairly common when there are no strong board members and the CEO/President sees them as a bureaucratic necessity. The one thing I don't understand is though, why none of the board members leveraged the MS relationship prior to Altman doing so if they truly believed he couldn't be trusted? At best, he wouldn't have got back at the helm in November after they successfully sacked him the first time.
 

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To be in the position he's in, I 100% believe he's a textbook narcist.

The need-to-know nature she described Altman pulling with the board is fairly common when there are no strong board members and the CEO/President sees them as a bureaucratic necessity. The one thing I don't understand is though, why none of the board members leveraged the MS relationship prior to Altman doing so if they truly believed he couldn't be trusted? At best, he wouldn't have got back at the helm in November after they successfully sacked him the first time.


My guess is that Microsoft sees Altman as the guy who is going to make them a ton of money, doesn't view the rest of the board that way, and so they're going to back him rather than them when push comes to shove.

One of the constants in life you can trust in is that people who go through a great deal of effort to make a ton of money will tend to put money first.
 

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My guess is that Microsoft sees Altman as the guy who is going to make them a ton of money, doesn't view the rest of the board that way, and so they're going to back him rather than them when push comes to shove.

One of the constants in life you can trust in is that people who go through a great deal of effort to make a ton of money will tend to put money first.
That's why I'm shocked, Satya is a pragmatist. There is rumor that him and Altman have a personal relationship and he's fond of him but at the end of the day Satya is going to honor the corporate interest. This much dissent in the senior executive and leadership ranks of a company is pretty much a death sentence whether the issues are real, fake or overblown because it will eventually start to effect the bottom line.

MS is heavily invested in OpenAI but had several board members and senior leadership approached Satya about Sam f*cking up the churches money, they would have had his support in bushing him.
 

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That's why I'm shocked, Satya is a pragmatist. There is rumor that him and Altman have a personal relationship and he's fond of him but at the end of the day Satya is going to honor the corporate interest. This much dissent in the senior executive and leadership ranks of a company is pretty much a death sentence whether the issues are real, fake or overblown because it will eventually start to effect the bottom line.

MS is heavily invested in OpenAI but had several board members and senior leadership approached Satya about Sam f*cking up the churches money, they would have had his support in bushing him.


I don't think the primary concern from the board was Sam fukking up money though. I think the primary concern from the board was that Sam was operating in an unsafe manner and had become ungovernable. Sam turned around to Microsoft and told them, "Trust me, I'll be safe, and I'll get you massive profits in the process!"


Microsoft looked at that situation and chose ungovernable profit over cautious patience. They believe that the profit-minded elements of Open AI are entirely behind Sam. And it's the safety-minded elements of Open AI that are leaving in droves. If Sam had been ousted, we may have seen some of the opposite happen and they didn't want to risk that.
 

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I don't think the primary concern from the board was Sam fukking up money though. I think the primary concern from the board was that Sam was operating in an unsafe manner and had become ungovernable. Sam turned around to Microsoft and told them, "Trust me, I'll be safe, and I'll get you massive profits in the process!"


Microsoft looked at that situation and chose ungovernable profit over cautious patience. They believe that the profit-minded elements of Open AI are entirely behind Sam. And it's the safety-minded elements of Open AI that are leaving in droves. If Sam had been ousted, we may have seen some of the opposite happen and they didn't want to risk that.
That was more so a figure of speech since the claim has and is still 6+ months later, that he withholds information and isn't being honest - which ultimately will hurt OpenAI.

I believe that is why none of this has any real motion, because there are few specifics that anyone speaking out can point to. Is Sam hiding SkyNet, is he greenlighting unethical experiments, is he stealing sensitive data to train future models? The he's a liar and doesn't like to share accounts are easy to ignore.
 

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That was more so a figure of speech since the claim has and is still 6+ months later, that he withholds information and isn't being honest - which ultimately will hurt OpenAI.

I believe that is why none of this has any real motion, because there are few specifics that anyone speaking out can point to. Is Sam hiding SkyNet, is he greenlighting unethical experiments, is he stealing sensitive data to train future models? The he's a liar and doesn't like to share accounts are easy to ignore.


There are few specifics because Open AI has strong NDAs and non-disparagement clauses with threats of losing all vested equity in the company if you say anything against it.

This, btw, is another thing Sam has lied about (he claimed not to know about these clauses and said no one had lost their equity due to it, when it fact the clause is clearly presented in multiple signed documents and individual employees were specifically threatened with loss of equity in writing).




For me, the specifics are less important than the fact that he is lying to everyone around him, using financial motivations to keep his employees in line, and CLEARLY can't be trusted with something for which the future of humanity could be at stake. But that the lies have specifically to do with AI safety is clear from the fact that damn near every major figure in the company who feels that safety is important has quit.
 

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I took a look at the responses on Reddit, they're about evenly split between "Sam is a narcissist who needs to go" and "Helen Toner is just a jealous lying female who was only on the board as a DEI hire and knows nothing about AI."

The Altman fanboys, of course, are ignoring that the entire board voted to fire Sam not just Helen, ignoring all the recent departures with some publicly citing a loss of trust, and ignoring the multiple times he's been caught lying in public just in the last year.


I wouldn't be surprised if there is a significant overlap between Altman fanboys and (former?) Musk fanboys.
 

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I took a look at the responses on Reddit, they're about evenly split between "Sam is a narcissist who needs to go" and "Helen Toner is just a jealous lying female who was only on the board as a DEI hire and knows nothing about AI."

The Altman fanboys, of course, are ignoring that the entire board voted to fire Sam not just Helen, ignoring all the recent departures with some publicly citing a loss of trust, and ignoring the multiple times he's been caught lying in public just in the last year.


I wouldn't be surprised if there is a significant overlap between Altman fanboys and (former?) Musk fanboys.
I agree. I think there's overlap in the binary way that Musk fan's view the world and the "AI will 100% lead to a utopia so let's go as fast as possible" crowd.

Toner did a good job twisting the knife when it was most impactful instead of wasting her bullets when the public was on her side. There is an interesting shift in tone over the last 1-3 weeks on Altman publicly I feel like. I jumped off his fanboy ride for sure when the coup tried to out him, but there the general public has done an about face within the last month especially.
 
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