Ryan clark says russell wilson is not a all time great qb

[NYC Rebel]

You implied lack of a 100 yard rusher was the reason for Marino’s horrible playoff record. I debunked that by showing you his peers winning playoff games without a 100 yard rusher in the playoffs and then you went on some tangent about 32 games when Marino never even played in 32 playoff games

Marino had a HOF coach ever game he played in the NFL and went to ONE Super Bowl. Those 2 coaches won a combined 4 super-bowls without him

A lack of a 100 yard rushing threat made Marino’s teams one dimensional.

can you tell me about those vaunted Fish Defenses in Marino’s era?

 

[JYoung24]

You mean the year Mahomes threw 50 touchdowns and led the 3rd highest scoring offense in history? Or the year Lamar had a 113 passer rating, Threw 36 touchdowns, rusher for 1,200 yards and beat Russ head to head

I also said they should of won mvp but u can argue that malhomes did that because of Andy Reid and because of the weapons and even though Lamar had a phenomenal year most people would of took Russel over Lamar.

 

[South Paw]

Wins and losses in the playoffs is not a QB stat it definitely shouldn't be

How about chips?

 

[KidJSoul]

Metcalf is a great wr

No he isn't, he has a VERY LIMITED route tree, and drops quite a lot.

He also can make bad mental errors - remember Sunday night against the Steelers when he didn't go out of bounds, and then fumbled?

 

[KidJSoul]

Bro I didn't say I had a problem using accolades, I said there are guys in thus thread using them to shyt on Russ when guys without certain accomplishments they are ranking higher...

I just said whole body of work, at his best Russ has played like the best player in football. I can go back to his coming out party in 2015 when he ascended as an elite quarterback, up to his play the first half to most of 2020. He certainly isn't without flaw but his entire body of work validates his credibility as an All-Time great...





I said Brees is arguably Rushmore, not set in stone. I personally feel he's the 5th greatest QB ever---->for me it's Brady, Montana, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, with a healthy gap between Manning and Rodgers---->and most QB lists have him in the top 6-7 historically. So yes, he has a case you can make for him as #4 GOAT...

And Dan Marino is overrated as shyt, time has completely swept some of his worst performances and chokes away. He was Rodgers before Rodgers, a regular season assassin who routinely played substandard in the Second Season.



Even if he isn't it's debatable, there haven't been 20 quarterbacks to play the position better in the history of the NFL, and for that matter, there haven't been 20 greater than Wilson either...

So many of us are devaluing that we have grown up in and been able to see the NFL's Golden Age of quarterbacking. The post-2000 NFL has been flooded with All-Time QBs to an unprecedented degree the first 80 years of league history didn't reach...

Thank you for pointing out the truth about Marino.

People keep saying if he had played for a different than he would have been the GOAT - but that I'd misleading.


Obviously, Marino would have won a ring if he played elsewhere. But there's a reason why he won ZERO. And it's because he just quite frankly didn't play well.

Not to mention, other guys who we like to denigrate for having great defenses/coaches like Brady and Montana, they still had games where they had to bail out their team and be heroic.

Look at Brady in the 2018 AFC title game, 2003 Super Bowl, etc.

Heck, even Mahomes bailed out the Chiefs in the 2019 playoffs.

Marino never showed the ability to do that. He flat out sucked in a lot of his playoff losses.

Again, Marino would have won a ring or two elsewhere, because he would have had a better defense to bail him out in done playoff games. But the difference between 1-2 rings, and over 3 rings, is that ability to come up BIG in the playoffs. And more often than not, Dan Marino was turning the ball over multiple times in his playoff losses, so he was never gonna be a 3 ring or more guy.

 

[Frump]

Bro I didn't say I had a









So many of us are devaluing that we have grown up in and been able to see the NFL's Golden Age of quarterbacking. The post-2000 NFL has been flooded with All-Time QBs to an unprecedented degree the first 80 years of league history didn't reach...

Nope it’s just that the rules are now so easy for QB’s because defenses are neutered that mediocre QB’s are putting up numbers that elite QB’s put up in the 80’s it’s not he use QB’ are any better

 

[Frump]

Anyone who says Marino is overrated knows nothing about football and more then likely is too young to ever see his prime.

He is as good as any QB who’s ever played and this is coming from a Jet fan.

He played in a era where less teams made the playoffs qbs when you had dominant teams.

Now with a hard cap all these teams afd flawed so having a great QB is such a huge advantage.

If Marino played in today’s era with these b1tch rules where you can’t play defense and where they’re aren’t dominant teams anymore it would be unfair.

 

[KidJSoul]

Anyone who says Marino is overrated knows nothing about football and more then likely is too young to ever see his prime.

He is as good as any QB who’s ever played and this is coming from a Jet fan.

He played in a era where less teams made the playoffs qbs when you had dominant teams.

Now with a hard cap all these teams afd flawed so having a great QB is such a huge advantage.

If Marino played in today’s era with these b1tch rules where you can’t play defense and where they’re aren’t dominant teams anymore it would be unfair.

Why do you say this when many of his games are available online, in full, where we can watch?

Before I continue, do you see why someone argue differently?

 

[Frump]

Why do you say this when many of his games are available online, in full, where we can watch?

Before I continue, do you see why someone argue differently?

Because I’m guessing nobody here has watched the majority of his old games and also broken the film down on all 22 lol

And no I can’t see why anyone would argue differently unless all you take into QB’ing is rings which is foolish

 

[KidJSoul]

Because I’m guessing nobody here has watched the majority of his old games and also broken the film down on all 22 lol

And no I can’t see why anyone would argue differently unless all you take into QB’ing is rings which is foolish

Well to start with, he'd obviously win a ring or 2 with a better team

Overrated is strong, but I disagree with the notion that he'd obliterate it in today's game and that he'd be the GOAT if he had any good team.

As I brought up before, he was still part of the problem in his playoff losses. He'd get over aggressive and throw picks, he'd also fumble.

Again, he would have still won rings, but I take issue with people acting like he'd win 4+ like it's obvious. The dude rarely has any memorable clutch/comeback games other than the fake spike game - and that matters, because even with a great team, you're gonna have games every now and then where you need to carry them in the playoffs, and he never showed that.

And today's game, guys still grt hit. Yes it penalized more but they still take the same hits, against guys that are faster and stronger.

 

[Edub]

What has Russ done not to be considered….won an sb, went back for another, nfc chips, winning records…why not

 

[holidayinn21]

No Marino was overrated


Trash NBA Culture has infiltrated NFL talk

 

[Street Knowledge]

I also said they should of won mvp but u can argue that malhomes did that because of Andy Reid and because of the weapons and even though Lamar had a phenomenal year most people would of took Russel over Lamar.

Russ has a coach who is going to the HOF, and if most people would’ve taken Russ over Lamar why did he win MVP unanimously? Brady is the only other player in history who can say that.

Russell has no case over any of those guys in any season.

 

[Street Knowledge]

A lack of a 100 yard rushing threat made Marino’s teams one dimensional.

can you tell me about those vaunted Fish Defenses in Marino’s era?

So why could other QBs win in the playoffs without a 100 yard rusher?

Now you have moved on to defense

 

[Street Knowledge]

Nope it’s just that the rules are now so easy for QB’s because defenses are neutered that mediocre QB’s are putting up numbers that elite QB’s put up in the 80’s it’s not he use QB’ are any better

Medicore QBs were putting up numbers In The 80’s.

brian sipe won an mvp in 1980