Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)
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Breh, the only way it happens is if Putin don't push the button or the ENTIRE political apparatus in Russia just says "no".
That ain't gon happen.
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Except at this point the goal has to be just to break the government in Kiev by going all in.
This death by a thousand cuts isn’t going stop his soldiers from getting killed. He did this to us in Afghanistan so he knows the US has the money to keep supplying tech for months. How much money does Russia have to keep this going and the home economy.
He’s threatening the supply line( which is exactly why I said he sounded weak when started this weeks ago threatening us to stay out) cause he knows we can run up his casualties quickly.
Syrians aren’t bringing in better tech. Just bodies. China probably isn’t trying to reveal its armament in a losing conflict for something that doesn’t matter to them.
That's my guy but wth is he talking about?
I'm talking about sabotage. What are the weak points in the system? I'm interested to know if you think that no Russians would ever move to stop a bomb from going off, or if you think it is technically impossible, or logistically impossible due to surveillance, or simply too easy to work around.
I'm not talking about every nuke being stopped. I'm more imagining damage limitation. My best assumption is that Putin only gets one volley - him taking that first volley will end things for him one way or another. So who is willing to put their ass on the line to limit what does down when the call is made and can they do it?
Breh, I don't think you understand what 1 ICBM can do. Millions die. And Russia has A LOT of them. One volley could mean MULTIPLE cities destroyed + nuclear fallout. It's a Zero Sum Game with nukes my man. He wouldn't launch a single one just to get the whole of NATO and perhaps even China (who has nukes but doesn't posture nearly as much as N. Korea or Russia) on his ass.
He'd have to take out multiple world governments. It wouldn't just be WWIII, it would be the end of this epoch.
I'm a fukking physics grad who has probably been reading up on nuclear development longer than you've been alive.
There very fact that "one nuke can mean millions die" also means "one nuke averted can mean millions fewer die". Doesn't that make the potential reward for stopping even one nuke launch enormous?
That depends entirely on his actual motivations. Why assume that Putin wants to "end the epoch"? He has something like half-a-dozen children, several grandchildren, what if he wants them to live? What if his plan isn't "destroy everything" but just take out a couple select German, British, and American cities as a fukk you on his way out of this Earth?
That's my guy but wth is he talking about?
i'm rocking with @Rhakim on this theory.
get ready to see the 2nd collapse of the Kremlin
first of all, i'm fairly certain that i could survive a nuclear blast.
can we start the convo from there like gentleman?
im not you
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someones gotta step up and jamie lannister the dude if it comes down to that
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I got one question for you. IF POTUS opened up the football and put in the launch codes, do you think that's getting sabotaged?
My point being, once it gets to that point, it's pretty much going down. The only president that may have been stopped from letting the nukes fly was Trump.
Well, Nixon too during Watergate.
But other than that, I think there's enough loyal ppl within that apparatus that would make sure it gets done when the president makes that decision.
Same for Russia. I think there's enough loyal ppl within their nuclear apparatus that if Putin gives that order, they'll make it happen.
I have no faith in anyone stopping it.
Pacifists and antiwar ppl are probably nowhere within the nuclear apparatus of any nation. They need cold-hearted folks who have no problem taking that order.
I'm sure they psychologically screen ppl on some level before you even get that job. I don't have any proof of that, but folks get psychologically screened for less. I can't imagine that a screening of some kind doesn't happen there.
None of that addresses any of the technical questions I asked. You're just assuming you know the mentality of literally every single person within the system and I'm not sure on what basis you're making those assumptions.
You don't have to be "pacifist" or "anti-war" to think "Let's not kill millions of civilians with nuclear weapons solely to satisfy one deranged tyrant". At least 90% of humanity wouldn't want that to happen. Are you really so certain that NONE of those 90% are in a position to potentially sabatogue?
They don't even have to be the ones who "take the order". They could be a nuclear scientist charged with maintaining nuclear readiness of the warheads. They could be a rocket scientist charged with ensuring the ICBMs are in proper working condition. They could be an electrical engineer or even a fukking electrician who is monitoring the circuits. I honestly have no idea how many people come within contact of each of those things, but there's going to be more than a few and several of them are going to need such specific technical expertise that they can't be pure hacks picked for political reliability alone.
Individual Russians have single-handedly blocked nuclear launches before. Look up Vasily Arkhipov or Stanislav Petrov. Both refused to go along with orders and thus prevented what could have been tremendous disasters.
Vasily Arkhipov - Wikipedia
Stanislav Petrov - Wikipedia
Nuclear blasts ain’t shyt to a Coli breh 
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe facing one of the top-10 most powerful militaries in the world.
Canada is a relatively small country without huge military resources and needs them for literally nothing other than helping other countries out.