Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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i feel bad for ukraine because they were told to get rid of their nukes after the soviet union fell as a condition for positive relations with the west and nato would have their back. how nato would have their back is anyone's guess because two nuclear sides don't really do the hot war thing. motherfukkers (the west, china and russia) looking at the world map like ... they got nukes? nah, ok let's beat them up and take their shyt. iran has the right idea.
 

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i feel bad for ukraine because they were told to get rid of their nukes after the soviet union fell as a condition for positive relations with the west and nato would have their back. how nato would have their back is anyone's guess because two nuclear sides don't really do the hot war thing. motherfukkers (the west, china and russia) looking at the world map like ... they got nukes? nah, ok let's beat them up and take their shyt. iran has the right idea.

I don't think people appreciate how messy the breakup of the Soviet Union was and only a few years prior Chernobyl happened...

Dissolution of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia



Putin and Russia have been a massive destabilizing force in the region. Without Putin or someone like him in charge Ukraine and other former Soviet states would've been able to create better conditions for themselves with an actual rule of law without oligarchs. Advocating for nuclear proliferation is just suicidal.
 

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I don't think people appreciate how messy the breakup of the Soviet Union was and only a few years prior Chernobyl happened...

Dissolution of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia



Putin and Russia have been a massive destabilizing force in the region. Without Putin or someone like him in charge Ukraine and other former Soviet states would've been able to create better conditions for themselves with an actual rule of law without oligarchs. Advocating for nuclear proliferation is just suicidal.

Russia also has far more funds at their discretion than what their economy indicates. KGB has their hands in a good amount of business east of Trieste to some degree. If they want something they can get it.
 

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he's is old and evil he needs to go


I don't see a coup happening there

He's not going nowhere and if you knew any Russians who live in Russia who aren't corrupted by British propaganda. You'd know that Russia always needs a strongman cult of personality.
 

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i feel bad for ukraine because they were told to get rid of their nukes after the soviet union fell as a condition for positive relations with the west and nato would have their back. how nato would have their back is anyone's guess because two nuclear sides don't really do the hot war thing. motherfukkers (the west, china and russia) looking at the world map like ... they got nukes? nah, ok let's beat them up and take their shyt. iran has the right idea.

You feel bad for a government that actively lists neo-nazi para-military groups.
 
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I don't think people appreciate how messy the breakup of the Soviet Union was and only a few years prior Chernobyl happened...

Dissolution of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia



Putin and Russia have been a massive destabilizing force in the region. Without Putin or someone like him in charge Ukraine and other former Soviet states would've been able to create better conditions for themselves with an actual rule of law without oligarchs. Advocating for nuclear proliferation is just suicidal.

I am no Russian troll or Putin fan, but objectively up to around 2004-06 Putin was actually a stabilizing force in the region. If you don't remember how bad Russia had collapsed, people were being paid in barter instead of rubles. They defaulted on their debt and thousands of Russian men were drinking themselves to death. All their Cold War toys were also close to falling into bad hands. Remember all the articles and movies warning about a stray nuke being sold from the Russians to terrorists, etc. It was bad and the country was on the brink. Putin was even that hard core nationalist back then, people like Zhirinovsky were seen as the hardcore types.

The reason Putin has stayed so long is he objectively pulled Russia out of a bad place. Now around 2006 is when we start butting heads and the whole NATO offer to Georgia was stupid. Even with the Georgia war though, if he had retired when Medvedev took over for a term and stayed out of politics he would be remembered as an elder statesman in most of Europe except the UK. Coming back after that term is when it really went downhill and everyone realized this guy is going to be no good anymore. Sad, since Russia has a lot of potential.

This has happened a lot lately, including in Turkey. Erdogan started out as a great reformer and then gutted the opposition and is now nearly a crazy uncle.
 

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This Washington policy thinker who is a realist has the same views. He is not a Russian-phile. He is a Cold War realist. He is anti-China and very pro American power. He is just a realist which is rejected by many Washington establishment foreign policy wonks who are liberal hegemonist. Liberal hegemonist think the US can take on Russia, China,Iran, Notth Korea while fighting terrorism and spread democracy around the world. In the right they are Neo conservatives and on the left liberal interventionist. He shows the receipts that the mess in Ukraine is the West’s fault and that it ain’t the hill to die on. He also states the US should try to split the China Russia alliance if they want to defeat China. The Sino-Soviet split was one of the big reasons the US won the Cold War. By pushing Russia and China closer together it makes things worse for the US and forces it to overstretch it’s forces. Take your feelings about how you feel about anyone opposing American primacy and listen to this lecture if you want.
 
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