Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[Micky Mikey]

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Putin is holding back. He has not yet used:

1. Any strategic bombers like Tu-22M, Tu-95 or Tu-160
2. Any EW/AWAC/ground command planes like Tu-214, A-50, Il-80
3. Much artillery at all beside a few SMERCH rockets

Also US intelligence has stated Russia is using 1/3rd of their force. It’s weird the way Russia is waging this war. When it came to Syria they went all out using their firepower. Russia underestimated the collective will of the Ukrainian people. The fact they haven’t even used their cyber capabilities to shut off the internet or the electrical grid. It’s still early and Russia is advancing the south. But Putin is facing a lot of unnecessary cost. If he thinks holding his military back will win him some points with the Ukrainian people is delusional. The people hate Russia since 2014. If he installs a puppet govt in Kiev and withdraws Russian military forces that puppet govt will collapse faster than the Afghan govt.

Russia haven't fought a proper war on the ground since Afghanistan so that's what 40-45 years ago. Everything else since then is theyve bullied with firepower from afar because they knew they didn't have a threat to worry about. Bombing Ukraine more and more means even if they do capture Kyiv and put in a puppet government they going to have to rebuild the City and rest of the country. And with what money with the sanctions? That 650bil safety net probably doesn't have a rebuild Ukraine plan in it.

 

[Arizax2]

Russia haven't fought a proper war on the ground since Afghanistan so that's what 40-45 years ago. Everything else since then is theyve bullied with firepower from afar because they knew they didn't have a threat to worry about. Bombing Ukraine more and more means even if they do capture Kyiv and put in a puppet government they going to have to rebuild the City and rest of the country. And with what money with the sanctions? That 650bil safety net probably doesn't have a rebuild Ukraine plan in it.

Very true. Infact with all those sanction are they even able to replenish their equipment with that safety net? They might have weakened themselves for decades to come.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Everyone ganging up to stomp Putin out

 

[Liu Kang]

Considering how badly Ukraine is divided ethnically, how will Ukraine be able to function after this war ?

-If Russia wins, Lviv and Kiev don't and won't fukk with whoever will be president and there will most likely be West-backed protests the moment Russian forces leave (if they ever leave)
-If Ukraine wins, they'll still have Donbass, Louhansk and Crimea problems to solve.
-A draw would keep the current status quo in a devastasted country

I really don't see how the future will be positive for them

 

[Starski]

This is old (~17 hours)


But even the nerds out there showing heart

 

[acri1]

Considering how badly Ukraine is divided ethnically, how will Ukraine be able to function after this war ?

-If Russia wins, Lviv and Kiev don't and won't fukk with whoever will be president and there will most likely be West-backed protests the moment Russian forces leave (if they ever leave)
-If Ukraine wins, they'll still have Donbass, Louhansk and Crimea problems to solve.
-A draw would keep the current status quo in a devastasted country

I really don't see how the future will be positive for them

That's why I really don't understand Putin's motives for this war.

It seems like a lose/lose situation for all sides, as well the rest of the world no matter how it turns out. I'm not sure who benefits at all...


It's an L for Ukraine obviously, an L for Russia (especially their economy because of all the sanctions), an L for Putin (since world leaders won't fukk with him at all now and he'll be remembered as a war criminal) and an L for the rest of the world due to the economic affects and increased gas prices.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Very true. Infact with all those sanction are they even able to replenish their equipment with that safety net? They might have weakened themselves for decades to come.

They've probably got reserves of weapons and equipment but from what era and generation who knows. Also back channels they will get some help from somewhere. Either favour for a future favour or someone repaying a debt considering how much power Russia have had in Europe.

 

[Liu Kang]

Putin is holding back. He has not yet used:

1. Any strategic bombers like Tu-22M, Tu-95 or Tu-160
2. Any EW/AWAC/ground command planes like Tu-214, A-50, Il-80
3. Much artillery at all beside a few SMERCH rockets

Also US intelligence has stated Russia is using 1/3rd of their force. It’s weird the way Russia is waging this war. When it came to Syria they went all out using their firepower. Russia underestimated the collective will of the Ukrainian people. The fact they haven’t even used their cyber capabilities to shut off the internet or the electrical grid. It’s still early and Russia is advancing the south. But Putin is facing a lot of unnecessary cost. If he thinks holding his military back will win him some points with the Ukrainian people is delusional. The people hate Russia since 2014. If he installs a puppet govt in Kiev and withdraws Russian military forces that puppet govt will collapse faster than the Afghan govt.

Yeah this is weird because this doesnt fit his blitzkrieg strategy where you're supposed to go all out. He wants to take Kiev asap but without much damage to gain sympathy from Ukrainians maybe ?

Anyway, if that's the case there are some bad mistakes made because Russia hasnt even secured all the airports around Kiev or other LZs already resulting in carriers shot down with possibly hundreds of casualties on his side. This looks weirdly amateurish.

 

[MushroomX]

Turkey I guess ain't having no more Pirates of the Carribean shyt going on in the Black Sea.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Considering how badly Ukraine is divided ethnically, how will Ukraine be able to function after this war ?

-If Russia wins, Lviv and Kiev don't and won't fukk with whoever will be president and there will most likely be West-backed protests the moment Russian forces leave (if they ever leave)
-If Ukraine wins, they'll still have Donbass, Louhansk and Crimea problems to solve.
-A draw would keep the current status quo in a devastasted country

I really don't see how the future will be positive for them

Best Ukraine could hope for sadly for them a West and East Ukraine type thing. But how receptive to that would they be who knows I guess not very likely. And we know Russia won't give them any concessions either like we'll let you join the EU but no to NATO

 

[Brehcepticon]

Russian army thought it was gonna be sweet.

 

[darius19]

Zelensky got more street cred than your favorite rapper

Zelensky definitely getting name checked in a lot of bars in 2022

 

[Starski]

There was just a survey I saw on CNN saying 77% people support going to war for Ukraine

*live vote of cnn viewers* 36k votes in total

 

[ZoeGod]

Considering how badly Ukraine is divided ethnically, how will Ukraine be able to function after this war ?

-If Russia wins, Lviv and Kiev don't and won't fukk with whoever will be president and there will most likely be West-backed protests the moment Russian forces leave (if they ever leave)
-If Ukraine wins, they'll still have Donbass, Louhansk and Crimea problems to solve.
-A draw would keep the current status quo in a devastasted country

I really don't see how the future will be positive for them

From what it looks Russia will install a puppet govt and this govt will turn Ukraine into a confederation. Giving autonomy to the East and south. Then a violent armed revolt overthrows this puppet govt. In the midst of the chaos Russia uses that as pretext to maintain control of eastern Ukraine to “protect” Russian speakers. Thus turning it into a cold conflict.