Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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Biden allows Ukraine to use US arms to strike inside Russia​


By Mike Stone and Humeyra Pamuk

November 17, 20242:29 PM ESTUpdated 15 min ago

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  • Decision comes after months of resistance from Washington

  • Shift may aid Ukraine's negotiating position

  • It is unclear if Trump will reverse Biden's decision once in office

  • Russia warns of escalation if limits on US weapons use are loosened

WASHINGTON, Nov 17 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden's administration has allowed Ukraine to use U.S.-made weapons to strike deep into Russia, two U.S. officials and a source familiar with the decision said on Sunday, in a significant reversal of Washington's policy in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

Ukraine plans to conduct its first long-range attacks in the coming days, the sources said, without revealing details due to operational security concerns.

The move comes two months before President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Jan. 20 and follows months of pleas by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to allow Ukraine's military to use U.S. weapons to hit Russian military targets far from its border.

The change comes largely in response to Russia's deployment of North Korean ground troops to supplement its own forces, a development that has caused alarm in Washington and Kyiv, a U.S. official and a source familiar with the decision said.

The White House and the State Department declined to comment. The Ukrainian foreign ministry and president's office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Russia has warned that it would see a move to loosen the limits on Ukraine's use of U.S. weapons as a major escalation.

Ukraine's first deep strikes are likely to be carried out using ATACMS rockets, which have a range of up to 190 miles (306 km), according to the sources.

While some U.S. officials have expressed skepticism that allowing long-range strikes will change the war's overall trajectory, the decision could help Ukraine at a moment when Russian forces are making gains and possibly put Kyiv in a better negotiating position when and if ceasefire talks happen.

It is not clear if Trump will reverse Biden's decision when he takes office. Trump has long criticized the scale of U.S. financial and military aid to Ukraine and has vowed to end the war quickly, without explaining how.

A Trump spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment. But one of Trump's closest foreign policy advisers, Richard Grenell, criticized the decision.

"Escalating the wars before he leaves office," Grenell said, in an X post responding to the news.

Some congressional Republicans had urged Biden to loosen the rules on how Ukraine can use U.S.-provided weapons.

Since Trump's Nov. 5 victory, senior Biden administration officials have repeatedly said they would use the remaining time to ensure Ukraine can fight effectively next year or negotiate peace with Russia from a "position of strength".

'WAY TOO LATE'​


The U.S. believes more than 10,000 North Korean soldiers have been sent to eastern Russia and that most of them have moved to the Kursk region and have begun to engage in combat operations.

Russia is advancing at its fastest rate since 2022 despite taking heavy losses, and Ukraine said it had clashed with some of those North Korean troops deployed to Kursk.

Stretched by personnel shortages, Ukrainian forces have lost some of the ground they captured in an August incursion into Kursk that Zelenskiy said could serve as a bargaining chip.

"Removing targeting restrictions will allow the Ukrainians to stop fighting with one hand tied behind their back," Alex Plitsas, senior non-resident fellow at the Atlantic Council, said.

"However, like everything else, I believe history will say the decision came way too late. Just like the ATACMS, HIMARS, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, Abrams Tanks and F-16. They were all needed much sooner," he added.

Despite Zelenskiy's pleas, the White House had been reluctant to allow U.S.-supplied weapons to be used to strike targets deep inside Russia for fear this could escalate the conflict.

Kyiv's other allies have been supplying weapons but with restrictions on how and when they can be used inside Russia, out of concern such strikes could prompt retaliation that draws NATO countries into the war or provokes a nuclear conflict.

Poland's foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, also called the move a response to North Korea's involvement.

"President Biden responded to the entry of North Korean troops into the war and the massive Russian missile strike in a language that V. Putin understands - by removing restrictions on Ukraine's use of Western missiles," Sikorski said on X.

Should have been done months ago, but they were probably saving it for the Koreans. This is some nice timing.

Russia can't complain too much because it might upset Trump, Trump is handcuffed day 1 like Biden with Afghanistan, and Ukraine can start taking out Russian Air bases.
 

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shame the US doesn't have much in the way of long range missiles that aren't nuclear from what I could find
 

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Why give Ukraine that shyt at the very last minute

And I wonder what Russia will escalate it to at this moment, especially when u got someone about to come into office ready to stop the war in favorable terms for u, cause last time they sounded like they was ready to strike American and Western Europe cities if that was to happen

And im sure there will be another attempt on dude life, im sure he got the super secret service watching his back now
 

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Why give Ukraine that shyt at the very last minute

And I wonder what Russia will escalate it to at this moment, especially when u got someone about to come into office ready to stop the war in favorable terms for u, cause last time they sounded like they was ready to strike American and Western Europe cities if that was to happen

And im sure there will be another attempt on dude life, im sure he got the super secret service watching his back now
Europe and South Korea can pick up some of the slack.

Plus Trump can’t force Ukraine to take a deal. Especially if he cuts off weapons.

Trump has been leading in the poles for most of the year. I’m sure the EU at least had to prepare for the possibility of Trump.
 

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Fury in Russia at 'serious escalation' of missile move​


10 hours ago
=Steve Rosenberg

Russia editor, BBC News•@BBCSteveR

Reporting fromMoscow

Getty Images Vladimir Putin, wearing a black suit and red tie, speaks into a small black microphone.
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Putin previously said Moscow would view the move as "direct participation" of Nato countries in the Ukraine war

President Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to strike inside Russia with long-range missiles supplied by the US has sparked a furious response in Russia.

"Departing US president Joe Biden… has taken one of the most provocative, uncalculated decisions of his administration, which risks catastrophic consequences," declared the website of the Russian government newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta on Monday morning.

Russian MP Leonid Slutsky, head of the pro-Kremlin Liberal-Democratic Party, predicted that the decision would "inevitably lead to a serious escalation, threatening serious consequences".

Russian senator Vladimir Dzhabarov called it "an unprecedented step towards World War Three".

Anger, yes. But no real surprise.

Komsomolskaya Pravda, the pro-Kremlin tabloid, called it "a predictable escalation".

What really counts, though, is what Vladimir Putin calls it and how the Kremlin leader responds.

So far he’s stayed silent.

But on Monday President Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists that “if such a decision has been taken it means a whole new spiral of tension and a whole new situation with regard to US involvement in this conflict".

Mr Peskov accused the Biden administration of “adding fuel to the fire and continuing to stoke tension around this conflict".

Western leaders would argue that it’s Russia that is ‘adding the fuel’ by recently deploying North Korean troops to the war zone to fight alongside Russian forces and by continuing to attack Ukraine.

President Putin himself may have yet to comment. But Russia’s president has said plenty before.

In recent months, the Kremlin has made its message to the West crystal clear: do not do this, do not remove restrictions on the use of your long-range weapons, do not allow Kyiv to strike deep into Russian territory with these missiles.

In September President Putin warned that if this were allowed to happen, Moscow would view it as the "direct participation" of Nato countries in the Ukraine war.

"This would mean that Nato countries… are fighting with Russia," he continued.

The following month, the Kremlin leader announced imminent changes to the Russian nuclear doctrine, the document setting out the preconditions under which Moscow might decide to use a nuclear weapon.

This was widely interpreted as another less-than-subtle hint to America and Europe not to allow Ukraine to strike Russian territory with long-range missiles.

Guessing Vladimir Putin’s next moves is never easy.

But he has dropped hints.

Back in June, at a meeting with the heads of international news agencies, Putin was asked: how would Russia react if Ukraine was given the opportunity to hit targets on Russian territory with weapons supplied by Europe?

"First, we will, of course, improve our air defence systems. We will be destroying their missiles," President Putin replied.

"Second, we believe that if someone is thinking it is possible to supply such weapons to a war zone to strike our territory and create problems for us, why can’t we supply our weapons of the same class to those regions around the world where they will target sensitive facilities of the countries that are doing this to Russia?"

In other words, arming Western adversaries to strike Western targets abroad is something Moscow has been considering.

Getty Images An Army Tactical Missile being launched on a beach.
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President Biden has given Ukraine permission to use ATACMS missiles, seen here during South Korea-US military exercises, to strike inside Russia

In my recent interview with Alexander Lukashenko, the leader of Belarus, Putin's close ally seemed to confirm the Kremlin has been thinking along these lines.

Mr Lukashenko told me he had discussed the subject at a recent meeting with Western officials.

"I warned them. 'Guys, be careful with those long-range missiles,'" Mr Lukashenko told me.

"The Houthi [rebels] might come to Putin and ask for coastal weapons systems that can carry out terrifying strikes on ships.

"And if he gets his revenge on you for supplying long-range weapons to [President] Zelensky by supplying the Houthis with the Bastion missile system? What happens if an aircraft carrier is hit? A British or American one. What then?"


But some of the media reaction in Russia appeared designed to play things down.

"The Russian armed forces had already [previously] intercepted ATACMS missiles during attacks on the Crimean shore," a military expert told the Izvestia newspaper, which went on to suggest that President-elect Trump might "revise" the decision.

This is, to put it mildly, an unusual situation.

In two months’ time, President Biden will be out of office and Donald Trump will be in the White House.

The Kremlin knows that President-elect Trump has been far more sceptical than President Biden about military assistance for Ukraine.

Will that be a factor in Vladimir Putin’s calculations as he formulates Russia’s response?
 

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Fury in Russia at 'serious escalation' of missile move​


10 hours ago
=Steve Rosenberg

Russia editor, BBC News•@BBCSteveR

Reporting fromMoscow

Getty Images Vladimir Putin, wearing a black suit and red tie, speaks into a small black microphone.
Getty Images

Putin previously said Moscow would view the move as "direct participation" of Nato countries in the Ukraine war

President Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to strike inside Russia with long-range missiles supplied by the US has sparked a furious response in Russia.

"Departing US president Joe Biden… has taken one of the most provocative, uncalculated decisions of his administration, which risks catastrophic consequences," declared the website of the Russian government newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta on Monday morning.

Russian MP Leonid Slutsky, head of the pro-Kremlin Liberal-Democratic Party, predicted that the decision would "inevitably lead to a serious escalation, threatening serious consequences".

Russian senator Vladimir Dzhabarov called it "an unprecedented step towards World War Three".

Anger, yes. But no real surprise.

Komsomolskaya Pravda, the pro-Kremlin tabloid, called it "a predictable escalation".

What really counts, though, is what Vladimir Putin calls it and how the Kremlin leader responds.

So far he’s stayed silent.

But on Monday President Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists that “if such a decision has been taken it means a whole new spiral of tension and a whole new situation with regard to US involvement in this conflict".

Mr Peskov accused the Biden administration of “adding fuel to the fire and continuing to stoke tension around this conflict".

Western leaders would argue that it’s Russia that is ‘adding the fuel’ by recently deploying North Korean troops to the war zone to fight alongside Russian forces and by continuing to attack Ukraine.

President Putin himself may have yet to comment. But Russia’s president has said plenty before.

In recent months, the Kremlin has made its message to the West crystal clear: do not do this, do not remove restrictions on the use of your long-range weapons, do not allow Kyiv to strike deep into Russian territory with these missiles.

In September President Putin warned that if this were allowed to happen, Moscow would view it as the "direct participation" of Nato countries in the Ukraine war.

"This would mean that Nato countries… are fighting with Russia," he continued.

The following month, the Kremlin leader announced imminent changes to the Russian nuclear doctrine, the document setting out the preconditions under which Moscow might decide to use a nuclear weapon.

This was widely interpreted as another less-than-subtle hint to America and Europe not to allow Ukraine to strike Russian territory with long-range missiles.

Guessing Vladimir Putin’s next moves is never easy.

But he has dropped hints.

Back in June, at a meeting with the heads of international news agencies, Putin was asked: how would Russia react if Ukraine was given the opportunity to hit targets on Russian territory with weapons supplied by Europe?

"First, we will, of course, improve our air defence systems. We will be destroying their missiles," President Putin replied.

"Second, we believe that if someone is thinking it is possible to supply such weapons to a war zone to strike our territory and create problems for us, why can’t we supply our weapons of the same class to those regions around the world where they will target sensitive facilities of the countries that are doing this to Russia?"

In other words, arming Western adversaries to strike Western targets abroad is something Moscow has been considering.

Getty Images An Army Tactical Missile being launched on a beach.
Getty Images

President Biden has given Ukraine permission to use ATACMS missiles, seen here during South Korea-US military exercises, to strike inside Russia

In my recent interview with Alexander Lukashenko, the leader of Belarus, Putin's close ally seemed to confirm the Kremlin has been thinking along these lines.

Mr Lukashenko told me he had discussed the subject at a recent meeting with Western officials.

"I warned them. 'Guys, be careful with those long-range missiles,'" Mr Lukashenko told me.

"The Houthi [rebels] might come to Putin and ask for coastal weapons systems that can carry out terrifying strikes on ships.

"And if he gets his revenge on you for supplying long-range weapons to [President] Zelensky by supplying the Houthis with the Bastion missile system? What happens if an aircraft carrier is hit? A British or American one. What then?"


But some of the media reaction in Russia appeared designed to play things down.

"The Russian armed forces had already [previously] intercepted ATACMS missiles during attacks on the Crimean shore," a military expert told the Izvestia newspaper, which went on to suggest that President-elect Trump might "revise" the decision.

This is, to put it mildly, an unusual situation.

In two months’ time, President Biden will be out of office and Donald Trump will be in the White House.

The Kremlin knows that President-elect Trump has been far more sceptical than President Biden about military assistance for Ukraine.

Will that be a factor in Vladimir Putin’s calculations as he formulates Russia’s response?

He invaded Ukraine twice without provocation, committed numerous war crimes, and illegally has tried to annex its territory. I’m not trying to hear about the US is “escalating” or anyone else for that matter.
 
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