Runny-Ray's 40 Most Essential Hip-Hop Albums Of All-Time

[mobbinfms]

i didnt know it was disrespected in here.

juicy is a goat single now? its a classic, but a goat single? HELL NO. thats puff propaganda.

sign of the times in '94? nah. that would be moreso wutang, illmatic, BCC, etc and back-end stuff from '93 like onyx. and thats just outta new york rap. RTD didnt really-really take off all like that until '95, iirc.

Big gone. But my favorite song still Juicy. Any propaganda for Big started with other rappers.
And Big was a force from the moment Juicy dropped. Which was summer 94.

 

[mobbinfms]

this whole idea of juicy being a goat single is just some propaganda that puff started peddling on "making the band".

the bolded can be said about a ton of other songs.

as far as the biggie bashing on here goes, stuff like that really isnt meant to be taken seriously, altho the examples you give arent exactly incorrect statements either.

RTD was great no doubt, but alot of its east coast counterparts were better and/or more influential. sure, you can make a strong case for it being on the list. i prolly wouldve put it on the list if LAD wasnt already on there. this album and its impact isnt quite strong enough for me to give him 2 bids. unless youre saying that i should give it LAD's spot?

It should get LADs spot. Or Makaveli.

 

[mobbinfms]

pun's album is better than jeezy's. thats about it. but it didnt have half the impact of influence on jeezy. that pun album isnt seeing ghetto d or 400 degreez at all buddy.

the stuff youre saying about makaveli is some personal preference type stuff depending on who you ask.

for starters, i dont recall anybody being dissappointed at this not being a "fun" album. especially seeing that he just got killed. and if you go to the east coast or somehwere like that, nobody cared about most of the guests on AEOM, and nobody really bumps half of that album.

makaveli hit like a bomb str8 thru. basically giving off the feeling that pac went out in a blaze of glory.

if it wasnt for makaveli, pac wouldnt be #1 on my all-time list. he needed that album.



thats not their fault tho.

that '01-06 timeframe where they had their most influence couldve been a better time period than the late '90s if the industry didnt screw it up.



lol @ ghetto d being 3 mics. its 5 mics jack.

you just dont like southern rap. you just like jeezy's "go crazy" because it was a pandering record.

the lox influence isnt about the "sound". you just dont get it.

what did 50 bury? if anything, THE LOX BURIED 50. you talk about little moments, but if anybody had their "little moment", it was 50.

i already answered the last question at least twice already.

I'm not talking about the beef. I'm saying 50 came through and crushed everything when he blew up. Jada could have been the man, but dropped e ball with that first album.

If I'm not getting it - it's because you're not making the case.

3 mics was being generous. I think I returned Ghetto D. Fast food rap.

I like quality southern rap.

You're right - cant blame someone if somebody is influenced by them and then is wack.

Can't speak on AEOM on the east. On the west it was completely dominant for almost two years. After LAD dropped - you still heard AEOM out of more cars. Makaveli was not nearly as beloved out here.

Puns album is vastly superior to Ghetto d and Juve. And Jeezy is irrelevant to me. I'm talking hip hop. Not trap.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Lol at the fifth grade reference. You were born in 85 right? So you would have been in the fifth grade in 95-96?
How is Makaveli a pick for multiple rappers?

yea. lol. i was in 6th grade in ''96 tho. i was a year ahead..........but now that i think about it, '96 was when i officially said "f*ck these ratings". so technically, youre still on-point.

makaveli was the pick for the so-called east coast/west coast beef. its about more than just pac.

Big was better than Pac to me. I guess I'm saying if you feel Pac was great enough to be on the list twice - that opens the door for Big (and some others).

Not in response to anything you said - but Redman or EPMD should have been on the list.

RTD was better to me. Beats, rhymes concepts and the overall concept of the album. But that doesn't really matter much when were talking "essential". Both are amazing.
And Juicy was a Pete Rock record. And One More chance didn't sound west coast. I guess you're talking about Big Poppa?

Classic mix tapes?

X is second tier for essential rappers. Go make a list. You'll see what I mean.

The record that best detailed the beef was Hit Em up. Which isn't on either record. But was released during AEOM's run. you make a great argument for Makaveli. Personally I much prefer it to AEOM.

whats so funny about mixtapes? mixtapes surpassed albums a decade ago and never looked back.

as for DMX, it depends on how many people you put in a tier. i never thought of an "essential rapper" list. thats dope. off-top, i would estimate that i would have him in the top 20 solo.

"hit em up" didnt detail much of anything really. now "against all odds"? thats what i call detail.

real spit, makaveli is a top 10-15 album to me. as opposed to AEOM, which i consider a classic, but if somebody told me that it wasnt, i wouldnt even argue.

puff himself admitted that RTD was west coast influenced. and RTD's rhymes werent all that great like people make it out to be. top 25-30 album at best.

pete rock? they really gave pete rock money for that? juicy was a str8 up sample. they couldve did that themselves. no way chizelled ass puff came outta pocket for that. i dont believe this.

 

[mobbinfms]

yea. lol. i was in 6th grade in ''96 tho. i was a year ahead..........but now that i think about it, '96 was when i officially said "f*ck these ratings". so technically, youre still on-point.

makaveli was the pick for the so-called east coast/west coast beef. its about more than just pac.



whats so funny about mixtapes? mixtapes surpassed albums a decade ago and never looked back.

as for DMX, it depends on how many people you put in a tier. i never thought of an "essential rapper" list. thats dope. off-top, i would estimate that i would have him in the top 20 solo.

"hit em up" didnt detail much of anything really. now "against all odds"? thats what i call detail.

real spit, makaveli is a top 10-15 album to me. as opposed to AEOM, which i consider a classic, but if somebody told me that it wasnt, i wouldnt even argue.

puff himself admitted that RTD was west coast influenced. and RTD's rhymes werent all that great like people make it out to be. top 25-30 album at best.

pete rock? they really gave pete rock money for that? juicy was a str8 up sample. they couldve did that themselves. no way chizelled ass puff came outta pocket for that. i dont believe this.

Oh don't worry. Puff was still being Puff. Pete claims he had the beat playing in his crib when Puff came to visit. Next thing he knows, that's Bigs single. Produced by someone else. They did let him do the remix though.

The rhymes on RTD was amazing. What did you think wasn't high level?

I wouldn't put Makaveli that high (I don't think) - but agree with your assessment of AEOM.

I see what you mean about Hit Em Up. It did have detail though.
That's why i fukked your bytch
Begged a bytch to let you sleep on the couch
You copied my style
Mobb Deep has sickle cell.
That's just off the top

I better get that first post mention in your essential rappers thread!

I never fukked with mix tapes like that. Outside of mister Cees best of mobb deep.
Drop your top five classics and I'll check them out.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

It should get LADs spot. Or Makaveli.

i put LAD on there instead of RTD, cuz LAD laid down the blueprint that alot of albums are still following to do this day.

overrated album tho.

I'm not talking about the beef. I'm saying 50 came through and crushed everything when he blew up. Jada could have been the man, but dropped e ball with that first album.

If I'm not getting it - it's because you're not making the case.

3 mics was being generous. I think I returned Ghetto D. Fast food rap.

I like quality southern rap.

You're right - cant blame someone if somebody is influenced by them and then is wack.

Can't speak on AEOM on the east. On the west it was completely dominant for almost two years. After LAD dropped - you still heard AEOM out of more cars. Makaveli was not nearly as beloved out here.

Puns album is vastly superior to Ghetto d and Juve. And Jeezy is irrelevant to me. I'm talking hip hop. Not trap.

50's reign at the top was short like leprechauns tho. plus he didnt have a whole lot of influence musically.

lol @ the low-ballin of ghetto d.

yea, i know AEOM is like goat staus on the west. its extremely loved on the east too, but theres alot of tracks on there that get no play up here, prolly because those tracks were designed to be regional.

big pun album not seeing master p & juvenile. capital punishment aint even a real classic. lets be real.

Oh don't worry. Puff was still being Puff. Pete claims he had the beat playing in his crib when Puff came to visit. Next thing he knows, that's Bigs single. Produced by someone else. They did let him do the remix though.

The rhymes on RTD was amazing. What did you think wasn't high level?

I wouldn't put Makaveli that high (I don't think) - but agree with your assessment of AEOM.

I see what you mean about Hit Em Up. It did have detail though.
That's why i fukked your bytch
Begged a bytch to let you sleep on the couch
You copied my style
Mobb Deep has sickle cell.
That's just off the top

I better get that first post mention in your essential rappers thread!

I never fukked with mix tapes like that. Outside of mister Cees best of mobb deep.
Drop your top five classics and I'll check them out.

on most joints on RTD, biggie had a basic game. if he had a southern accent, he wouldve been dismissed as fast food music.

essential rappers thread on the way.

yea, mixtape albums are what carried hip-hop in the '00s. i have to take a raincheck on that top 5. there was so much crack droppin left & right. i gotta really think about that. alot of empires were literally built off of mixtapes(dipset, dblock, g-unit, state property, re-up gang, etc etc). you could prolly make a great top 50 list just off of those crews alone. and i left out alot of people.

lol. its like a whole world of quality hip-hop that you completely ignored.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

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[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

WOW

I just noticed that I left out the 2 LIVE CREW!!!!

that's an accident.

i'll take the LOX out and put them in there. @mobbinfms @DaveyDave

 

[DaveyDave]

WOW

I just noticed that I left out the 2 LIVE CREW!!!!

that's an accident.

i'll take the LOX out and put them in there. @mobbinfms @DaveyDave

i def think that's a better pick for a most essential list. if you wanted a kid to know everything about Hip Hop history through listening to albums, 2 Live Crew deserves a place for what they did for freedom of speech in Hip Hop

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

i def think that's a better pick for a most essential list. if you wanted a kid to know everything about Hip Hop history through listening to albums, 2 Live Crew deserves a place for what they did for freedom of speech in Hip Hop

yea I thought it was on the list the whole time, until I went over it just now.

sorry luke.