[Rumor] Sony developing game pass competitor; code name “Spartacus “. Merging PS+/Now.

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A group of people much smarter than you and more successful than you believe it can work. They have access to real numbers and real data and say it can work. Are you suggesting Satya Nadella doesn't know what he's doing? Are you suggesting he's just burning money for the hell of it with no end game in sight?

Is it not obvious to you that consumers like these subscription based services? When people want something it's up to the businesses to figure out how to get it to them cost effectively.

Sony could come out with a subscription service put their entire first party back catalog on it and say each month we'll give you 35% off a single new retail title on our highest sub tier. That's basically a new title for $45ish dollars. It doesn't have to start as an exact copy of Game Pass but subscription services offer people value beyond just access to a back catalog of content. There needs to be an advantage to signing up for it.

Just because a bunch of smart people believe something can work doesn't mean it will. Netflix has been at for much longer than Microsoft and they haven't turned a profit.
 

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Ubisoft doesn’t put its new games on their service day one, its like disney +
Ubisoft+ Game Subscription Service | 100+ PC Games
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A group of people much smarter than you and more successful than you believe it can work.
They believe it so much none of them is doing it apart from the only company that has the money to do it. Some belief huh :russ:

If it’s so good, all of them should be right now involved in it, yet they’re all still using the old method of selling games for 70 dollars. Now why’s that?

As for subscription services, subscribing to a movie or a music subscription where you just absorb the entertainment and it’s over in in an hour is very different from a game subscription. Vast majority of people play less that 10 games a year. Subscription therefore is simply not financially worth it.

Even the “phenomenally successful and lucrative” gamepass has most people using discounts to subscribe and then cancelling when their time is up.
 

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They believe it so much none of them is doing it apart from the only company that has the money to do it. Some belief huh :russ:

If it’s so good, all of them should be right now involved in it, yet they’re all still using the old method of selling games for 70 dollars. Now why’s that?

As for subscription services, subscribing to a movie or a music subscription where you just absorb the entertainment and it’s over in in an hour is very different from a game subscription. Majority of people play less that 10 games a year. Subscription therefore is simply not financially worth it.

Even the “phenomenally successful and lucrative” gamepass has most people using discounts to subscribe and then cancelling when their time is up.

The proof is in the pudding. Like i said earlier gamepass is offered to over 200m people capable of using it, 20m people use it, not even half the console adopters have it.

They brag about 10 million people playing forza, that means only half the amount of people that get it for free are even interested in trying it, and out of that 10 million probably only a fraction are still actively playing it today.

There’s gonna be a clear ceiling for a service like this in gaming and its no where near music or video streaming

Also for all the “single player one and dun” comments, the vast majority of people playing these service oriented games probably aren’t even playing them longer than a single player rockstar, ubi, or sony game.
 

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I'll handle all the speculation so nobody else has too :handshake:

You can't compete with gamepass. You either offer the same experience (with minor differences) or you fall short.

Now 99% of all games are MULTIPLAT so duplicating what gamepass does isn't impossible. 1st party games are better on Xbox this gen so far and Sony seems to be content with giving you more of the same imo. TBC on which is better but 2021 was year of Xbox :win:

Now looking at this tweet, it's very vague, doesn't say what's included with each tier but they letting y'all know they wanna include access to PS1,2,psp games as a possible :krs: feature except that's a HORRIBLE idea. Everything that was exclusive back then been MULTIPLAT.

That would be like Microsoft going "Get the 3rd tier of gamepass so you can play Xbox originals" :gucci:

The truth is that 3rd tier will have 1st party day 1 PS5 games, they'll have all the older games too thanks to Microsoft azure. The service will not be as cheap as gamepass because they can't afford to do that, they not future proof :francis: (where did I hear that before???)

Sony stans will say it's worth it, I'll admit it's better than nothing. Starfield drops 11/11/22...
You legit have a mental illness, this shyt ain't cute...
 

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Just because a bunch of smart people believe something can work doesn't mean it will. Netflix has been at for much longer than Microsoft and they haven't turned a profit.
Please stop with the misinformation. Last year Netflix generated about $2.7 billion in net income (profit). Look it up its on Yahoo Finance and Netflix investor relation page.
 

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Please stop with the misinformation. Last year Netflix generated about $2.7 billion in net income (profit). Look it up its on Yahoo Finance and Netflix investor relation page.

so less than Sony’s gaming division, which generated over 3b. Who’s to say they stand to generate more revenue putting their games out day 1 for free?

where’s the proof of concept?

Netflix is the gold standard y’all keep referring back to, they have over 200m subscribers and don’t generate more revenue or profit than PlayStation. Lol
 

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Please stop with the misinformation. Last year Netflix generated about $2.7 billion in net income (profit). Look it up its on Yahoo Finance and Netflix investor relation page.
are you going to answer my question as if it’s so successful like so many smart people think it is, why isn’t the industry flooded with gamepass clones? Or just ignore it like you do whenever you get called out?

It’s a simple question. If so many smart and successful people think gamepass subscription is the future why isn’t the industry flooded with them? Why are over 95% of the publishers in the industry still selling their games for 70 dollars like they have been doing for the last 40yrs?
 

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so less than Sony’s gaming division, which generated over 3b. Who’s to say they stand to generate more revenue putting their games out day 1 for free?

where’s the proof of concept?

Netflix is the gold standard y’all keep referring back to, they have over 200m subscribers and don’t generate more revenue or profit than PlayStation. Lol
Gross profit was closer to $10 billion.
 
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