Royce Da 5’9” - Silence Of The Lambda (Lupe Fiasco Response) (Produced By Carlos “6 July” Broady)

[Insensitive]

If we're keeping it a stack even Lupe doesn't have THAT catalogue.
Several rappers from this past decade have left 2007 "The Cool" Lupe in the dust.

It's hard to have classic, timeless records when your career has effectively been a nonstarter since damn near the start of last decade.

Superstar was cool.
Kick, Push was great.
But since then ? We've had some genuine superstars blow up.
And Lupe's last hit record was more Label's pen than his own.

 

[revan]

If we're keeping it a stack even Lupe doesn't have THAT catalogue.
Several rappers from this past decade have left 2007 "The Cool" Lupe in the dust.

It's hard to have classic, timeless records when your career has effectively been a nonstarter since damn near the start of last decade.

Superstar was cool.
Kick, Push was great.
But since then ? We've had some genuine superstars blow up.
And Lupe's last hit record was more Label's pen than his own.

Man people don't bring up Lupe catalogue to show he has hit making ability.

 

[Insensitive]

Man people don't bring up Lupe catalogue to show he has hit making ability.

Aye this dude did:

That’s why I don’t listen to people’s list

We can all identify GOATs being the likes of Cube, Rakim, Jay, Nas, Pac and so on so forth

Mickey Factz is right there lyrically, Lupe himself even says it

But he doesn’t have the catalog or the amount of timeless records that Lupe has so what is the argument

 

[Dboy41]

If we're keeping it a stack even Lupe doesn't have THAT catalogue.
Several rappers from this past decade have left 2007 "The Cool" Lupe in the dust.
.

Revisionist hater history, The Cool and F & L alone inspired many rappers to this very day.

 

[Jugernot]

If we're keeping it a stack even Lupe doesn't have THAT catalogue.
Several rappers from this past decade have left 2007 "The Cool" Lupe in the dust.

It's hard to have classic, timeless records when your career has effectively been a nonstarter since damn near the start of last decade.

Superstar was cool.
Kick, Push was great.
But since then ? We've had some genuine superstars blow up.
And Lupe's last hit record was more Label's pen than his own.

If we are keeping it a stack Royce is the better rapper. He has better albums. Lupe has the tow best, yes... But after that it is all Royce and I am talking about albums, mixtapes and eps.

 

[Jugernot]

Revisionist hater history, The Cool and F & L alone inspired many rappers to this very day.

Royce got sober before PRyhme. Ever since he has been putting out better albums than Lupe.

 

[Insensitive]

Revisionist hater history, The Cool and F & L alone inspired many rappers to this very day.

Not revisionist and not a hater.
Y'all trying to rank Lupe higher than other rappers who've inspired the current crop of artists.
Kanye West ?
Talib Kweli ?
Mos Def ?
Common ?
Andre 3K ?
Hell Phonte ? Little Brother ? Especially since they're linked with 9th wonder ?

Are y'all convinced that Lupe Fiasco is one of only two rappers to never rap about being a gangsta ?
Has he been cited as an influence before these guys ? 9/10 he hasn't.
Lupe is/was cool for what he was but I'm getting real revisionist energy from people who trying to
act like bro was bigger for Hip-Hop than he really was.

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

I understand this a Royce thread, but y'all something else for real. Y'all really be into them miracle spiritual lyrical raps. Completely overlooking the fact buddy got exposed for not being able to freestyle.

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

Not revisionist and not a hater.
Y'all trying to rank Lupe higher than other rappers who've inspired the current crop of artists.
Kanye West ?
Talib Kweli ?
Mos Def ?
Common ?
Andre 3K ?
Hell Phonte ? Little Brother ? Especially since they're linked with 9th wonder ?

Are y'all convinced that Lupe Fiasco is one of only two rappers to never rap about being a gangsta ?
Has he been cited as an influence before these guys ? 9/10 he hasn't.
Lupe is/was cool for what he was but I'm getting real revisionist energy from people who trying to
act like bro was bigger for Hip-Hop than he really was.

"It's funny when you think a nikka blew up after Lupe"
Drake

"Lupe Fiasco never has to have another hit in his life and he has fans that love him. He can go perform Food & Liquor for the rest of his days and he will have a career."

J Cole
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/j-cole-interview

 

[NoHalfWay]

If we're keeping it a stack even Lupe doesn't have THAT catalogue.
Several rappers from this past decade have left 2007 "The Cool" Lupe in the dust.

It's hard to have classic, timeless records when your career has effectively been a nonstarter since damn near the start of last decade.

Superstar was cool.
Kick, Push was great.
But since then ? We've had some genuine superstars blow up.
And Lupe's last hit record was more Label's pen than his own.

Either you have marketability to push hit singles or you don’t

His first 4 albums up to 2012 all had hits.

And his first platinum single, Superstar, was all in house production and vocalist. Lupe on the verses, Mathew Santos on the hook, and Soundtrakk production was all 1st & 15th

That nikka blew up off his fan base and crafting songs that were lyrical yet still marketable.

He doesn’t have to have a catalog on par with say, Ghostface Killah, cuz we’re now comparing him to Mickey Factz & Royce da 5’9 lol

 

[NoHalfWay]

Revisionist hater history, The Cool and F & L alone inspired many rappers to this very day.

Lol let me not go dig up that interview that time when Meek Mill was like Kendrick & Cole don’t inspire him but he can listen to F&L straight through for inspiration

Be careful… you let these nikkas tell it Lupe fans and his influence only exist online

 

[Insensitive]

"It's funny when you think a nikka blew up after Lupe"
Drake

"Lupe Fiasco never has to have another hit in his life and he has fans that love him. He can go perform Food & Liquor for the rest of his days and he will have a career."

J Cole
J Cole Is Ready for a Kanye Showdown

J. Cole - Canibus, OutKast, Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye

Drake - Phone, Little Brother, Jay-Z, Clipse Wayne, Kanye


Again, Lupe was/is great but is he some legendary figure whose DNA is in damn near all of these contemporary rappers ?

There's too many examples of mixtape homages, paid for features and interviews that completely dead the idea that Lupe Fiasco is on THAT level.

As I said before 9/10 these rappers aren't citing Lupe Fiasco as a major or even a singular influence.

There were other artists that had a much larger influence on the current course of Hip-Hop than Lupe ever did and Lupe is a Fan/Stan of THOSE GUYS, not their peer.

Either you have marketability to push hit singles or you don’t

His first 4 albums up to 2012 all had hits.

And his first platinum single, Superstar, was all in house production and vocalist. Lupe on the verses, Mathew Santos on the hook, and Soundtrakk production was all 1st & 15th

That nikka blew up off his fan base and crafting songs that were lyrical yet still marketable.

He doesn’t have to have a catalog on par with say, Ghostface Killah, cuz we’re now comparing him to Mickey Factz & Royce da 5’9 lol

As I said in my original post discog wise and chart performance wise bro has largely been a non-factor for nearly a decade. 2012 ,in four months, will be ten years ago breh.

I also said: his last major hit was more his label's pen than his own.

I know Kick, Push & Superstar are all in house. The other records are debatable and that's because his major wanted a larger cut of his album sales (so he got shopped the same demo's B.O.B. was getting).

Lupe Fiasco blew up because that was the goal of his employers to try to make another Star and profit off of their investment. Something they succeeded at doing but self sabotage, massive ego on top of major label interference did his career in.
He's cool as an album artist, has a hit or two under his belt but is he big LIKE THAT? Nah.

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

@Insensitive Because Lupe was kind of the prototype conscious mainstream rapper akin to a J. Cole or a Kendrick. With lyricism, since words have been around forever, it's hard to really carve your own thing unless you start to get gimmicky (see Young Thug, though I love his music) Lupe was less about having signature flows that audiences can easily pick up and sing along to.

I actually agree on some of your points, but what you're mentioning is more of an artist thing than a rapper thing, which Lupe admitted to when he said Kendrick was a better artist than him. To be honest, Lupe didn't have the 'artist mystique' or rockstar antics that a Kendrick, Lil Wayne, Andre 3000 would have style wise, or music wise. He's actually a pretty regular dude and always came off as such. He wasn't into the theatrics that sometimes come with being pioneering like artist I've mentioned before, at least far as style and artistically.

One thing I always was able to highlight about Lupe's music is he always dropped knowledge in a way that was easily digestible and made you wanna look more into it as well as hood perspectives that no one else really covered how he did (American Terrorist, He Say She Say, Dumb It Down etc.) Kendrick kind of used to do that, but it's hard to really claim knowledge and perspective stylistically.

I'm tired brehs. This a Royce thread

 

[Starburst]

Cause he wants to see what Em is in the booth. It’s competition.

Yeah...that’s all he wants..

 

[HiiiPower]

If we are keeping it a stack Royce is the better rapper. He has better albums. Lupe has the tow best, yes... But after that it is all Royce and I am talking about albums, mixtapes and eps.

Death is Certain & The Book Of Ryan are great albums, But Neither one of them are better than F&L & for damn sure not as good as The Cool imo