Ron Paul: Boston occupation should frighten us more than the attack itself

[Type Username Here]

i have a fear of dying from trigger happy state/federal government officials and from misinformed trigger happy vigilante citizens. it's a lose-lose situation...

True, but at least the citizen(s) would be held accountable for your death. The Government? Not so much friend.

Might not matter to you, since you'd be dead, but it might matter to your family.

Am I wrong?

 

[daze23]

Sure, you can personally make that decision. The problem occurs when we have people TOLD to stay inside, effectively imprisoning them in their own home.

it's not gonna be an easy decision for some people. what if your job told you that you'd be fired if you didn't come to work that day?

think of them trying to do that kind of manhunt on a 'normal' day, with people going everywhere, compared to having the streets empty. dumbasses trying to rubberneck and asking every cop what's going on. the cops stopping and harassing everyone that resembled the suspects (and that's the 'best case scenario'. see Dorner example for some of the worst)

Also, it seem that you fear dying by the government more so than dying by the suspect, which I think is what the Grand Cyclops Paul is referring to.

I fear of dying by the hasty decision of a heavily armed human

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

True, but at least the citizen(s) would be held accountable for your death. The Government? Not so much friend.

Might not matter to you, since you'd be dead, but it might matter to your family.

Am I wrong?

would they be held accountable though. my death might be deemed justifiable because when i was young i was suspended from school multiple times for fighting and skipping school( dumbest shyt ever). whether or not they'd be held accountable probably wouldn't matter much to my daughter since she would most likely grow up not knowing me

quite frankly i can only see this from a military perspective, which would be to tell civilians to remain in their homes to prevent unnecessary civilian deaths as the military swept the area. i get what mr.paul is saying and i even agree with him a little but at the same time i can't help but think about the backlash they would have gotten if someone innocent was killed by the police or if they didn't take the measures they did and the situation escalated and lasted longer then it did. they you would politicians screaming they didn't do enough another lose-lose situation.

 

[Type Username Here]

it's not gonna be an easy decision for some people. what if your job told you that you'd be fired if you didn't come to work that day?

think of them trying to do that kind of manhunt on a 'normal' day, with people going everywhere, compared to having the streets empty. dumbasses trying to rubberneck and asking every cop what's going on. the cops stopping and harassing everyone that resembled the suspects (and that's the 'best case scenario'. see Dorner example for some of the worst)



I fear of dying by the hasty decision of a heavily armed human

You have the right to fear that, just don't make that decision for me. I'd like to be able to walk outside of my own house, inside my property if I choose to without being threatened with arrest. Is that too much to ask when we are NOT under Martial Law?

 

[Type Username Here]

would they be held accountable though. my death might be deemed justifiable because when i was young i was suspended from school multiple times for fighting and skipping school( dumbest shyt ever). whether or not they'd be held accountable probably wouldn't matter much to my daughter since she would most likely grow up not knowing me

quite frankly i can only see this from a military perspective, which would be to tell civilians to remain in their homes to prevent unnecessary civilian deaths as the military swept the area. i get what mr.paul is saying and i even agree with him a little but at the same time i can't help but think about the backlash they would have gotten if someone innocent was killed by the police or if they didn't take the measures they did and the situation escalated and lasted longer then it did.

Breh, most the lockdown occurred while the boy was in Watertown. That is when the order to shelter in place came in. The law of the land STRICTLY prohibits the military doing such a thing unless Martial Law is ordered by the President.

One was already dead, the other was hiding. This is NO reason to imprison anyone in their homes. If you CHOOSE to stay in your home, by all means that is your right, but don't take the choice away from anyone.

What happens if I had an elderly family member on the other side of town, and I wanted to go there to stay with her during this event. Why should I be threatened with arrest for choosing to do that?

 

[daze23]

You have the right to fear that, just don't make that decision for me. I'd like to be able to walk outside of my own house, inside my property if I choose to without being threatened with arrest. Is that too much to ask when we are NOT under Martial Law?

this is the question of what 'freedom' means in our modern society

I tend to agree with Spock

but I understand Ron Paul probably doesn't...

 

[Type Username Here]

this is the question of what 'freedom' means in our modern society

I tend to agree with Spock

but I understand Ron Paul probably doesn't...

I think having the ability to walk around outside, on my own property would probably constitute a basic freedom.

I think having the ability to leave my house, get in my car, and drive to my grandmothers house to keep her calm during an event like this but constitute a basic freedom.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

chicago has weekends where 50 people get shot. but they dont lock down the hood. white people are alarmists, fukk with their shyt and they go bananas.

 

[Type Username Here]

chicago has weekends where 50 people get shot. but they dont lock down the hood. white people are alarmists, fukk with their shyt and they go bananas.

Or you can even contrast it with the OKC Bombing.

They didn't order ANYONE to shelter in place. The order to shelter in place came when they knew there was only one suspect alive, and did not know his location. So while the scene was going on in Watertown, the city of Boston was ordered to shelter in place. This was extremely overbearing.

Matter of fact, the suspect was found and police alerted when the shelter in place order was lifted. When the man was allowed to go around his property, he found the suspect in the boat.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Or you can even contrast it with the OKC Bombing.

They didn't order ANYONE to shelter in place. The order to shelter in place came when they knew there was only one suspect alive, and did not know his location. So while the scene was going on in Watertown, the city of Boston was ordered to shelter in place. This was extremely overbearing.

Matter of fact, the suspect was found and police alerted when the shelter in place order was lifted. When the man was allowed to go around his property, he found the suspect in the boat.

I agree, the only incident I can think of (in my life) that is even remotely similar to this is Katrina. I think they went too far, but this is one of those times when people sacrifice liberty for security.


poll: 30% of Americans would submit to TSA body cavity searches

[link to digitaljournal.com]

"According to a new scientific poll by Harris Interactive, almost a third of Americans would submit to a body cavity search by the TSA in order to fly.
Thirty percent of respondents to the poll, conducted from November 5-7, said they would be "willing" or "somewhat willing" to undergo a TSA body cavity search.


The poll also asked whether Americans would wear an electric shock bracelet in order to fly. The bracelet, which was evaluated by the Department of Homeland Security in 2008, would track passengers' movements throughout the airport and allow TSA agents and airline personnel to apply a "less lethal" electric shock to any passenger who they deemed to be a potential terrorist.
In a stunning result, 37% of respondents said they would be "completely willing" or "somewhat willing" to wear the stun bracelet."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2045604/pg1

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Why would I be mad? You're not even eliciting a , much less a

What's up with conspiracy theorists always just using the smiley everytime an argument erupts? shyt is fukking stupid.

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

One was already dead, the other was hiding. This is NO reason to imprison anyone in their homes. If you CHOOSE to stay in your home, by all means that is your right, but don't take the choice away from anyone.

breh, I'm not even disagreeing with you really, but i do think mr. paul is simplifying the events that happened in boston. i'm not well versed in the history of boston, but i assume this whole situation is quite unprecedented. imo this comes down to a lose-lose situation.... they either do too much or don't do enough.

 

[Type Username Here]

I agree, the only incident I can think of (in my life) that is even remotely similar to this is Katrina. I think they went too far, but this is one of those times when people sacrifice liberty for security.


poll: 30% of Americans would submit to TSA body cavity searches

[link to digitaljournal.com]

"According to a new scientific poll by Harris Interactive, almost a third of Americans would submit to a body cavity search by the TSA in order to fly.
Thirty percent of respondents to the poll, conducted from November 5-7, said they would be "willing" or "somewhat willing" to undergo a TSA body cavity search.


The poll also asked whether Americans would wear an electric shock bracelet in order to fly. The bracelet, which was evaluated by the Department of Homeland Security in 2008, would track passengers' movements throughout the airport and allow TSA agents and airline personnel to apply a "less lethal" electric shock to any passenger who they deemed to be a potential terrorist.
In a stunning result, 37% of respondents said they would be "completely willing" or "somewhat willing" to wear the stun bracelet."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2045604/pg1

WOW

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I agree, it was over the top and needless militarization, but I don't need Dr. Paul's senile spin and exaggeration on the issue. The stuff about safety and liberty is typical libertarian confusion.

Sad that you think this but before Ron said it, you didnt really have anything to say about it, friend.

 

[daze23]

I think having the ability to walk around outside, on my own property would probably constitute a basic freedom.

I think having the ability to leave my house, get in my car, and drive to my grandmothers house to keep her calm during an event like this but constitute a basic freedom.

I mean, obviously your grandmother is a very emotional appeal. it shouldn't matter if it's your sick grandmother or anyone else. and at that point, the gloves are off, and people are free to do whatever. this was a weekday in a major metropolitan area. it would be chaos

I understand how people feel about freedoms, and trust me, I feel the same way sometimes (let alone if you throw my sick grandmother in the mix). but
I only imagine the situation being more messy if they didn't lock shyt down. is that "worth" the temporary loss of freedom? well, I think that is the tightrope our society has to walk