Ron Harper: 1997 Bulls Would Sweep the Warriors

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i doubt rodman ever dealt with a guy who pushes the ball like green down the court and leads the fast break

its a interesting conversation, the reality is the bulls never had to deal with 2 dead eye shooters like steph and klay continuously coming off picks over and over

i know reggie and mike had their battles but reggie never had a klay to help him spread the floor

Are u out of ur mind fam?

Rodman could, and did, legitimately guard 1-5. Magic. MJ. Pippen. Shaq. Malone. Robinson. Worthy. Rodman defended them all. Because he could defend them all. No assignment was impossible for him at his very best.

Now he's supposed to struggle with Green? Green?!?! Please.
 
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If Curry is going to get his, how would that be MJ or Pippen stoppin him 1v1?

The Warriors wouldn't allow Curry to be defended by MJ or Pippen straight up on every possession. You'd be mistaken if you think that would be the case.

:dwillhuh:

Klay isn't the Warriors best defender.

:mjlol:

I think someone needs to watch more Warriors games.

So what the Warriors going to do to free up Curry? Run the pnr? Run curry off screens? Those are your two options...you run curry off screens means you trust iggy or Livingston to initiate offense against either jordan or Pippen depending on who guarding curry..I will take that match up every time..and if you put Livingston and iggy on the floor at the same time now you have no spacing on offense.

You really think Iggy can match up with MJ..really...if kobe use to give iggy work..what you think jordan going to do :mjlol:

The Warriors don't have any mismatch on offense against the Bulls to force help..either with the pnr or straight up..it's a wrap..
 
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None of them could take them off the dribble, it's like yall are incapable of seeing why someone hitting 45% of his threes off pick and roll action could be so devastating.


It was double Shaq and he kicks out, if you don't double him then you can cover his shooters. Playing out of the PnR you basically have to commit two defenders to trying to contain Curry, there's no cheating, there's no sending a double and getting back, you either go over the screen or you hedge hard, nothing else.


Bulls can switch them curry screens better than other teams, they have 5 guys athletic enough who are all over 6'6 that can contest the shots by curry. Teams didn't have the personnel to defend like the bulls did. The bulls only weakness on defense playing "small" is kukoc and he's still 6'10/
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Jordan, Pippen and rodman were all 1st team all nba defense.

Curry is going to get his there's no doubt about that. I feel like the bulls can contain everyone else enough to keep them out the game.
 

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What did I tell you about not lying? Kerr is not the best 3pt shooter in history.

Livingston, Iguodala, Lee, Speights, Barbosa and Ezeli are a better bench. More scoring/shooting, more playmaking and better defense.

You just said the Bulls would shut every other Warrior down, now you're saying they'd get open 3s? So you're now working on the logic that you'd leave Iggy, Barnes and Green to shoot open 3s all game - the question needs to be asked - how many games would this series go to?

Why would Pippen and Mike be guarding Barnes constantly, if you just said they'd get all the open 3s they could handle? What makes you think either Pippen of Jordan will be guarding Barnes at all? Who would be guarding Klay? Who would be guarding Curry?

:why:

No they wouldn't, because they'd make sure another player would do that. Klay, Iggy, Barnes or Livingston.

You're overrating Harper's post game. He wasn't doing dudes on the block like that and he wasn't an efficient scorer in his latter years. I'm sure the Warriors would take it as a win if the Bulls were going to Harper on the block.


Steve Kerr has the highest 3pt% in nba history yes or no?

I'll take the bulls bench, but we can agree to disagree.

It depends on the bulls scheme, if they trap curry off the pick with rodman and jordan then green is going to have to beat them with his passing or his shooting. If the bulls switch those screens with rodman they would be able to contain the others while curry is cooking.. Pippen could guard anyone on that warriors small ball lineup along with mj, rodman and harper. That's what makes them dangerous. The bulls can almost do the same thing with green, leonard, being able to guard the warriors on the perimeter.

Harper is good in the post and the bulls can run the same pick and roll and get curry on someone he can't handle
 

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With no Jordan? The delusions never stop with you. :mjlol:

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Knew that would have you tight
 
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So what the Warriors going to do to free up Curry? Run the pnr? Run curry off screens? Those are your two options...you run curry off screens means you trust iggy or Livingston to initiate offense against either jordan or Pippen depending on who guarding curry..I will take that match up every time..and if you put Livingston and iggy on the floor at the same time now you have spacing no spacing on offense..
There a several ways they could free up Curry (this is all without mentioning that Curry is a better ballhandler/shot creator than 99% of players that Bulls team played against). Curry can still initiate the offense while running off screens, it doesn't need Iggy or Livingston to work - they'll have just need some sort of PnR action and Draymond or Bogut to move the ball from the high post or near the perimeter, until Curry was free for an open shot.

On the point that Iggy and Livingston offers no floor spacing - do you not watch the Warriors play? Iggy and Livingston are often placed behind the 3-pt line in swing ball situations. That's how the Warriors offense operates; four options behind the 3-pt line at any given time. And let's not act like the Bulls didn't have players that shrunk the floor space on offense either. Dudes like Caffey, Dele, Rodman and Brown didn't provide much floor spacing.

The Warriors would no doubt treat Rodman like they did Allen on offense - using that extra player to help on Jordan or Pippen.
You really think Iggy can match up with MJ..really...if kobe use to give iggy work..what you think jordan going to do :mjlol:
The Warriors would throw Barnes, Iggy, Draymond and Klay at Jordan depending on their success rate, and they'd make sure to swarm Jordan whenever he was on the low block or on the weakside. Which is partly the reason why not only is this series hypothetical in a matchup sense, but what rules would be used? Jordan wouldn't have as much success if the Warriors could play with the existing rules (zone defense).
Curry is going to get his there's no doubt about that. I feel like the bulls can contain everyone else enough to keep them out the game.
The problem with that is, there's not enough players on the court to contain the Warriors. The Bulls best bet would be to let Iggy, Draymond and Barnes + other role players take open shots, and focus on stopping Curry and Klay.
 
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rodman would average 25 rebounds a game going against green. Bulls would literally run the warriors into a half court game with limited possessions and clamp them defensively.

bulls have better bigs in longley, bison, and wennington vs bogus and festus.

Klay would be in constant foul trouble and when he goes to the bench the bulls would suffocate curry with the lack of spacing the warriors would have
 

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The problem with that is, there's not enough players on the court to contain the Warriors. The Bulls best bet would be to let Iggy, Draymond and Barnes + other role players take open shots, and focus on stopping Curry and Klay.

I been saying this since my 1st post in this thread. I said depending on the bulls and how they handle curry determines how others would be involved.
 

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i doubt rodman ever dealt with a guy who pushes the ball like green down the court and leads the fast break

nikka have you ever heard of anthony mason (at the same position) When rodman guarded magic in the finals who is bigger, and faster then green dennis had no issue picking magic up full court. Awful posting
 

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I hate when people have to go to extremes to defend their viewpoint

the bulls couldnt sweep an atlanta team who had steve smith and christian laettner as their leading scorers...yet theyre winning all games at oracle with our crowd ?

Lol you didn't even mention mutombo who was a top 3 defensive center in basketball then. Trying to be slick.

The warriors were down 2-1 to a team with lebron and d league scrubs. Thats worse then the bulls being 1-1 with atlanta
 
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Steve Kerr has the highest 3pt% in nba history yes or no?
That still doesn't make him the best three-pt shooter in history.

Curry has made 1,243 three-pointers at 44% and Kerr has made 726 three-pointers at 45%. This is all without mentioning the majority of Kerr's threes were assisted on set shots. Curry does this shyt off the dribble with multiple defenders draped all over him. I mean why do I even need to all say this?
It depends on the bulls scheme, if they trap curry off the pick with rodman and jordan then green is going to have to beat them with his passing or his shooting. If the bulls switch those screens with rodman they would be able to contain the others while curry is cooking.. Pippen could guard anyone on that warriors small ball lineup along with mj, rodman and harper. That's what makes them dangerous. The bulls can almost do the same thing with green, leonard, being able to guard the warriors on the perimeter.
This is all fine in theory, but the Bulls would need a few games to adjust to an offense which is centered around taking 3-pt shots and completing them at a high rate, while also trying to keep pace with the Warriors' scoring - they would soon find out the hard way if they opted to trade 2-pt shots for 3-pt shots.
Harper is good in the post and the bulls can run the same pick and roll and get curry on someone he can't handle
It'd work for maybe three possessions on average - before the Warriors would switch shyt up. I mean I could list all the potential favorable minor matchups the Warriors would have too.
 

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That still doesn't make him the best three-pt shooter in history.

Curry has made 1,243 three-pointers at 44% and Kerr has made 726 three-pointers at 45%. This is all without mentioning the majority of Kerr's threes were assisted on set shots. Curry does this shyt off the dribble with multiple defenders draped all over him. I mean why do I even need to all say this?

This is all fine in theory, but the Bulls would need a few games to adjust to an offense which is centered around taking 3-pt shots and completing them at a high rate, while also trying to keep pace with the Warriors' scoring - they would soon find out the hard way if they opted to trade 2-pt shots for 3-pt shots.

It'd work for maybe three possessions on average - before the Warriors would switch shyt up. I mean I could list all the potential favorable minor matchups the Warriors would have too.


this isn't figure skating breh, curry can shoot off the dribble 3's 40 foot 3's et.. It all counts the same. kerr's % is higher. Curry is amazing

Why would the bulls need a few games? How are the warriors guarding the bulls? Who on GSW can guard jordan? pippen? who can matchup to 6'10 kukoc? How are the warriors adjusting to the bulls half court triangle potent offense?

switch it up how? Curry would only be able to guard harper in our lineup. You can't put him on pippen kukoc or mj cause he's either getting cooked or fouling out. You can't put him on dennis or else he's grabbing every offensive rebound. Teams today don't take advantage of curry but the bulls absolutely would make him guard someone on defense.

Please list these "favorable" warrior matchups. Besides curry the bulls are superior at every other position on the court should the bulls play small to match them
 

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Lol you didn't even mention mutombo who was a top 3 defensive center in basketball then. Trying to be slick.
trying to be slick ? :what: my point was that the bulls couldnt sweep an atlanta team which was CLEARLY inferior offensively compared to the warriors. as a matter of fact, bulls couldnt sweep any of the 7 game series that year

what you are saying is that warriors are inferior offensively to heat, jazz and hawks which got a game or two (jazz) against the bulls. and thats not even taking in account the oracle crowd. :camby: sit your ass down breh
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Bulls can switch them curry screens better than other teams, they have 5 guys athletic enough who are all over 6'6 that can contest the shots by curry. Teams didn't have the personnel to defend like the bulls did. The bulls only weakness on defense playing "small" is kukoc and he's still 6'10/
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Jordan, Pippen and rodman were all 1st team all nba defense.

Curry is going to get his there's no doubt about that. I feel like the bulls can contain everyone else enough to keep them out the game.

The Rockets tried switching, they got destroyed from three as a result, they also have a paint protector and a couple of 6'6+ guys that couldn't stop Curry.

You honestly have no clue what you're talking about, the Bulls never faced a team quite like the Warriors, especially when they use that small lineup where everyone on the floor is threat to go to the rim or shoot the 3.


nikka have you ever heard of anthony mason (at the same position) When rodman guarded magic in the finals who is bigger, and faster then green dennis had no issue picking magic up full court. Awful posting



Neither of them shot threes :dead: The whole purpose of Green is that he spreads the floor offensively, and when he gets the ball at the 3 line he can actually put it on the floor and go to the rim or find shooters to set them up, the only other PF in the league that can do it is Paul Millsap. This did not exist in 1996, you didn't have to close out hard on Anthony Mason because he couldn't hit the three, Green however can, and when you close out hard you leave your interior open for him. If Rodman is defending him and closing out on him, who is in the paint to rebound?

Also, you're using two different versions of Rodman, he wasn't guarding perimeter guys during the 2nd three peat he was basically an interior defender at that time :dead:
 
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