Roman Reigns is proof that indy/territory development >>>> NXT training
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JoogJoint
In my own league.
I understand crowds getting "brutal," but I do think a lot of people are going overboard for a predetermined "sport." I think most people expected it, but the way people are going about it is extremely childish and unncessary (destroying the streets, blocking wrestlers' cars, etc.). I feel like a lot of the hurt feelings direced at Roman should be directed at Vince and Kevin Dunn. Why give Roman all the grief as if HE'S the one that's booking the show? For all we know Roman didn't want to be in this position, but who is honestly going to say "no" to a push in the spotlight at the biggest event in pro-wrestling?!
Personally I think Ziggler should've won, some people have said Bray, Ambrose, etc. You don't see us actin' a fool just because our favorites didn't win. To some degree Philly made themselves look like childish a$$holes. There's a way of voicing your opinion, I get that, but threatening to riot, blocking wrestlers' cars (they aren't the ones booking the damn show...VINCE IS), whining and complaining, etc. is not the way to do it. If you ask me, if it wasn't Roman winning, then they would've bytched and complained and carry on like whiny little babies regardless of who won simply because they aren't named "Daniel Bryan."
Pairing him up with Paul Heyman wouldn't work either. Just look at Cesaro. Heyman only works well with CM Punk and Lesnar. So that's not going to work.
Besides at "Fastlane" PPV I honestly think there's going to be a swerve and maybe a 3 way match for the WWE Heavyweight Championship.
If people are going to be mad, be mad at Vince, Dunn, and their shytty booking. All this neckbeard frustration is misplaced. Roman unfortunately is just faced in the middle. They should've booked him better.
@BlackBrainChild
If i'm not mistaken, you were on of the ones claiming the response wasn't going to be bad and that it was solely neck beards.
This whole "neckbeard," shyt is a farce and cop out.
"Casuals" see it, too. There were a shyt ton at the Rumble ho-hum at that finish, also.
The entire Rumble felt sterile. You can't force a baby face. I'm sorry.
Vince put a midget bull and gator out there and fans ripped it apart. You put a product they aren't happy with, they're going to express disapproval.
Suggesting fans sitting on their hands and hope they catch Vince in traffic to voice their approval so as to not offend the guys in the ring is silly.
WWE did everything they could to protect him.
Eliminated Bryan early. Had Kane/Show eliminate the crowd favorites so Reigns could stand tall and be the hero who vanquished the bad guys. Even called the Rock in for a rub.
Some of you guys along with Vince are going to have to come to terms with the fact that people aren't going to take to something because you think they should.
The only person you're hurting is the guy you're determined to force.
If i'm not mistaken, you were on of the ones claiming the response wasn't going to be bad and that it was solely neck beards.
This whole "neckbeard," shyt is a farce and cop out.
"Casuals" see it, too. There were a shyt ton at the Rumble ho-hum at that finish, also.
The entire Rumble felt sterile. You can't force a baby face. I'm sorry.
Vince put a midget bull and gator out there and fans ripped it apart. You put a product they aren't happy with, they're going to express disapproval.
Suggesting fans sitting on their hands and hope they catch Vince in traffic to voice their approval so as to not offend the guys in the ring is silly.
WWE did everything they could to protect him.
Eliminated Bryan early. Had Kane/Show eliminate the crowd favorites so Reigns could stand tall and be the hero who vanquished the bad guys. Even called the Rock in for a rub.
Some of you guys along with Vince are going to have to come to terms with the fact that people aren't going to take to something because you think they should.
The only person you're hurting is the guy you're determined to force.
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Went over this in another thread, but they're invested in Reigns and will make sure Heyman puts him over and not 21-1.
Funny you mention Cesaro, though. Had WWE listened to fans and not been adamant on keeping him a heel, he wouldn't be where he is now.
They're pulling the inverse with Rome.
A heel turn is the only viable alternative if they're hellbent on giving him the belt.
I said months ago this would happen and I'm saying now that he'll be getting go away heat across the board if you continue to force a babyface push.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
Actually I didn't have an opinion one way or another on how the crowd would reacted, so your point is moot on that. Let's keep it on topic about what this really is about.
So shytting on Roman is going to change anything? Is he the booking the show? I wasn't aware of it. Just a lot of misplaced frustration towards Roman. If people want to bytch and whine and take a predetermind sport seriously with the way they are carrying on, then that's on THEM, but be mad at the people booking the show. I mean wtf are you arguing exactly with me? It seems to me like we're saying pretty much the same thing, but you're here for an arguement and bringing up moot points.
I don't care if you went over it or not, it's MY opinion, but the fact is that Paul Heyman doesn't work well with anybody BUT Punk and Lesnar. Just how it is. That's just a fact. It won't do Roman any favors. People thought pairing Heyman up with Cesaro would've worked and it only hurt his momentum. People easily forget Cesaro's booking was pretty good prior to WM and afterwards, but once Heyman opened his mouth about Brock Lesnar and just continued talking about his Lesnar, a person with common sense could've have easily seen where it was going to go. Heyman has made it very clear that Lesnar will always be his priority. Even Roman won't change that.
Again, this is an absolutely stupid line of thinking and it's only implemented so as to not offend the sensibilities of fans who don't want to hear guys they like getting booed.
You put an inferior product out there, fans will voice their disapproval.
Kwame Brown didn't sign himself to a contract to the Lakers, but he sucked.
Should we have stormed the front office and clapped for Kwame, anyway?
Rhetorical question.
Nah, it would work.
Don't see anything to convince me otherwise and it's the best option they have for a guy they're determined to push above all and who struggles to cut two minute promos.
I don't think anyone forgot about Cesaro's booking up until Mania.
Just a week ago guys were discussing Cesaro going over Orton clean this time a year ago.
I also didn't feel making him a Paul Heyman guy was smart and I'm sure a lot of others didn't either.
Fans were prepared to embrace him as a babyface and WWE insisted on keeping him a heel.
They then removed his moveset that helped get him over in the first place because they didn't want fans popping for him because he was a heel.
Heyman's 21-1 was just the icing on the cake.
This is essentially the same scenario with Reigns, just flip flopped on face/heel side and it will end no different unless a change to his character is made.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
We are comparing real sports to something that's predetermined and something that fans already knew was going to happen? What's the point of being pissed at something when you already know it's going to happen? It's not a stupid line of thinking, but all this unnecessary whining and complaining and tantrums is being misplaced. Voice your opinion, speak with your wallets, build a bridge over it, and just STFU about it. When I got sick of where the product was going I just simply turned the sh_t off and stopped watching from around 2003/2004 until 2 years ago.
I won't work. Just agree to disagree. We go tit for tat about this all day, but history speaks for itself. It won't help Roman to constantly be compared to somebody that beat The Undertaker's streak. If you think so, good for you.
Roman struggles to cut promos because they don't know HOW to book him nor HOW to write for him.
K.
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I don't think the people in favor of Reigns winning last night know how drenched in irony this is.
History does indeed repeat itself, and we'll all be reminded of that soon enough.
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JoogJoint
In my own league.
You pretty much just proved my point why Heyman and Roman won't work. That same booking will be applied to Roman. Roman's booking has been sh_tty as hell towards the road to the RR and WM31 and this will just seal the deal for people why Heyman and Roman won't work. It'll be a disaster. Heyman was even annoying to me during that whole Cesaro run and I didn't even think it was possible for the WWE to f_ck up Heyman for me, but they managed to do it.
Cesaro hasn't been right ever since...
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Kobe did that to himself. When they played Philly in the finals the year before, he completely dismissed his Philly roots and offended them first.
That's a bullshyt cop out. People never use that logic with movies and TV shows. People boo movies all the time and regret paying to see them. People don't just say, "Just shut the fukk up and be happy you got to see a movie".
Because professional wrestling scripts are often changed at the last minute. The Undertaker losing to Brock Lesnar last year was supposedly a final hour decision.
The fact that WWE knew this was going to happen and yet didn't make any last second alterations to the script shows that they deserve what they are getting
The fact that Orton has headlined multiple Manias only furthers the point that the product is shyt.
You were smart to add this statement for insurance at the end
I understand not having a lot of faith in Roman in 2015 but the biggest crime in this thread is breh who said Steve Blackman was better than Randy orton. might be the legit woat take I’ve ever seen on any subject ever