Rolls-Royce Drone Ships Challenge $375 Billion Industry: Freight

[ch15x]

iRobot-type stuff...

 

[rantanamo]

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but transition is always the toughest part of human history. Who will distribute goods. Who decides how much is distributed and what is distributed? We are talking about a change in the very instinct of the animal. There will be tremendous impact on the human psyche and many religious texts.

A lot of this stuff is further along than many think. There are already completely automated warehouses

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this is my industry and I doubt it will happen, shipping unions are real tight with shore worker, tug pilots, and all the other aspects of the maritime industry. I could see a massive strike if companies tried to do this too quickly. On top of that even with a manned ship way to much can/and does happen that a computer probably wouldn't be able to adjust too. I really doubt it could keep the ship going without any accidents ever.

Add to that the regulations that would have to be followed for something like unmanned ships (who do you blame for an accident if the ship has no master?) and the insurance for it would be expensive as fukk. Lastly Ship Owners being cheap is what they do, its an industry where you see low % returns so you cut cost. And I can see in no way them being willing to spend on something like this... I can tell you it wont happen this decade at least. shyt maybe not even in 2 decades.

Look at this in a different direction. Companies consider humans the most expensive part of the system. We have to be paid everyday. We have to sleep, we have to eat, we make mistakes at every stage of the operation that a computer doesn't and we crash vehicles, lose inventory because of loading and packing mistakes, etc. They have redundant systems and backups that we don't. They can simply make the whole process more efficient. The insurance industry can keep the same rates and cake off of it because they would be paying out far less. Even if they have a accidents at a slightly higher rate(they won't), their efficiency at other stages will simply cost less money to companies.

Forget the small man or middle man in these situations. Companies like Wal-Mart, Amazon, Target, big oil, etc are creating their own vehicles and will own the shipping process from A to B. It won't happen this decade, but we'd be naive to think we won't be the ones squeezed out.

Some ask why this would be bad. Well, perhaps in the long term it will be good, but in the short-term, the transition will be the painful part. People are reactionary, and governments are even more reactionary. The initial adjustment will be slow and the jobs will disappear without much notice, as they are now. The pace of soft skill jobs has to keep up before those disappear further in the century. Half of the US doesn't think old people deserve social security or that healthcare is important to the society as a whole. How do you think they will feel about unemployed adults, even when reality is telling them there are no jobs. They will say, they should have done STEM.

 

[Poitier]

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but transition is always the toughest part of human history. Who will distribute goods. Who decides how much is distributed and what is distributed? We are talking about a change in the very instinct of the animal. There will be tremendous impact on the human psyche and many religious texts.

A lot of this stuff is further along than many think. There are already completely automated warehouses

.


Look at this in a different direction. Companies consider humans the most expensive part of the system. We have to be paid everyday. We have to sleep, we have to eat, we make mistakes at every stage of the operation that a computer doesn't and we crash vehicles, lose inventory because of loading and packing mistakes, etc. They have redundant systems and backups that we don't. They can simply make the whole process more efficient. The insurance industry can keep the same rates and cake off of it because they would be paying out far less. Even if they have a accidents at a slightly higher rate(they won't), their efficiency at other stages will simply cost less money to companies.

Forget the small man or middle man in these situations. Companies like Wal-Mart, Amazon, Target, big oil, etc are creating their own vehicles and will own the shipping process from A to B. It won't happen this decade, but we'd be naive to think we won't be the ones squeezed out.

Some ask why this would be bad. Well, perhaps in the long term it will be good, but in the short-term, the transition will be the painful part. People are reactionary, and governments are even more reactionary. The initial adjustment will be slow and the jobs will disappear without much notice, as they are now. The pace of soft skill jobs has to keep up before those disappear further in the century. Half of the US doesn't think old people deserve social security or that healthcare is important to the society as a whole. How do you think they will feel about unemployed adults, even when reality is telling them there are no jobs. They will say, they should have done STEM.

shyt is crazy. I really think people are numbing themselves to this inevitable reality...

 

[Wargames]

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but transition is always the toughest part of human history. Who will distribute goods. Who decides how much is distributed and what is distributed? We are talking about a change in the very instinct of the animal. There will be tremendous impact on the human psyche and many religious texts.

A lot of this stuff is further along than many think. There are already completely automated warehouses

.


Look at this in a different direction. Companies consider humans the most expensive part of the system. We have to be paid everyday. We have to sleep, we have to eat, we make mistakes at every stage of the operation that a computer doesn't and we crash vehicles, lose inventory because of loading and packing mistakes, etc. They have redundant systems and backups that we don't. They can simply make the whole process more efficient. The insurance industry can keep the same rates and cake off of it because they would be paying out far less. Even if they have a accidents at a slightly higher rate(they won't), their efficiency at other stages will simply cost less money to companies.

Forget the small man or middle man in these situations. Companies like Wal-Mart, Amazon, Target, big oil, etc are creating their own vehicles and will own the shipping process from A to B. It won't happen this decade, but we'd be naive to think we won't be the ones squeezed out.

Some ask why this would be bad. Well, perhaps in the long term it will be good, but in the short-term, the transition will be the painful part. People are reactionary, and governments are even more reactionary. The initial adjustment will be slow and the jobs will disappear without much notice, as they are now. The pace of soft skill jobs has to keep up before those disappear further in the century. Half of the US doesn't think old people deserve social security or that healthcare is important to the society as a whole. How do you think they will feel about unemployed adults, even when reality is telling them there are no jobs. They will say, they should have done STEM.

Shipping is a bit different though, first the human element doesn't have to be the most expensive element. Once the loans for the ship has been paid off. Its Usually the bunker (fuel) for the ship and the following of environmental regulations that cost the most. Usually crews are cheap because they come from the third world.

In America the cost of crews can be expensive but the US has a law called the Jones Act that gives American sailors a monopoly on most jobs. A law I could see halting this transition in America at least. Add to that the fact that relatively widespread technologies like IT has only begun to be used in shipping by the moire forward thinking owners and once again I can't see this spreading anytime soon. I mean hell the article didn't even mention how this would likely allow for a increase in smuggling and stowaways due to nobody on the ship performing watch.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Shipping is a bit different though, first the human element doesn't have to be the most expensive element. Once the loans for the ship has been paid off. Its Usually the bunker (fuel) for the ship and the following of environmental regulations that cost the most. Usually crews are cheap because they come from the third world.

In America the cost of crews can be expensive but the US has a law called the Jones Act that gives American sailors a monopoly on most jobs. A law I could see halting this transition in America at least. Add to that the fact that relatively widespread technologies like IT has only begun to be used in shipping by the moire forward thinking owners and once again I can't see this spreading anytime soon. I mean hell the article didn't even mention how this would likely allow for a increase in smuggling and stowaways due to nobody on the ship performing watch.

All that is true, but it will happen one day. These companies have the money and power to successfully lobby governments to allow the use of technology.

I think humans need to start planning now for what's going to happen when human labor is obsolete. I see us trying to hang on to our current economic system for as long as possible then revolting. If we were smart, we'd try to transition as quickly as possible.

 

[Vandelay]

Who cares about a strike when you don't need people. Companies will wait for the contract to expire, refuse to negotiate, and move to a location where the contract doesn't apply.

You'd be silly to think a Hamburg Sud or Keuhne and Nagel isn't salivating at the thought. Mix in automated loaded/unloading onto an automated intermodal carrier into an automated warehouse. You could cut shipping times in half with "present" technology. Safety and government regulations would be minimal as you cut human intervention.

You don't need laborers or servicemen in the future economy...

Everyone will have to be entrepreneurial. If were not careful however we will be on track to becoming a neo-feudal society in about 50 years.

 

[Wargames]

Who cares about a strike when you don't need people. Companies will wait for the contract to expire, refuse to negotiate, and move to a location where the contract doesn't apply.

You'd be silly to think a Hamburg Sud or Keuhne and Nagel isn't salivating at the thought. Mix in automated loaded/unloading onto an automated intermodal carrier into an automated warehouse. You could cut shipping times in half with "present" technology. Safety and government regulations would be minimal as you cut human intervention.

You don't need laborers or servicemen in the future economy...

Everyone will have to be entrepreneurial. If were not careful however we will be on track to becoming a neo-feudal society in about 50 years.

I'm not saying this won't ever happening what I'm saying is the reality of shipping the odds of this happening for another 10 - 20 except for a minority of ships is unlikely

While this sounds good on paper its not just the employee's who'll strike. Its the dock workers, the tug boat pilots, I don't think you understand how bad these guys can hem up a ship. Some ships have been stuck at docks for months due to them not helping the ship leave. And they are smart, rarely do they go on strike officially, they just target particular ships. Also it not like docks can be easily avoided ship owners don't just choose where they go unless they are a common carrier which is the minority of ship owners. The majority of the time the charterer (aka the guy who owns the cargo) tells them where to go. Now if the charterer for one second thinks his cargo is going to get hemmed up because the shipowner has beef with the dockworkers trust me he isn't going to fukk with that shipowner. Add to that fact shipowners rarely collude except for the top 1% and you have a competitive reason most midtier/small owners will avoid this.

Also I'm not saying this won't happen eventually.... its just not going to happen anytime soon. Gigantic Ships already work with maybe a dozen to 2 dozen manned crew, those guys are usually there just to make sure the machinery doesn't break down and react to up to the second weather conditions. Leaving all that to just a machine and a drone pilot isn't going to fly for the same reason you don't hear people talking about replacing airplane pilots completely with drones. Machines reaction times still arent fast enough, and there is no real market demand for it. It is still going to be a lot cheaper to hire some indian and Filipino sailors than it would be to fork over the what 50 million to build these ships. Add in the normally 25 year lifespan of a ship and I'll say it again this isn't happening for another 10 - 20 year at least.

 

[Vandelay]

I certainly didn't say it was going to happen in 10 years, maybe not even 20...but it is going to happen.

Unions ultimately are powerless when the organization is dead set on moving the operation. I've seen it first hand, and been on both sides of that fence.

I just want people to be ready and stop being overly reliant or a slave to these corporations that ultimately don't view you anymore than with black or red ink.

 

[Wild self]

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but transition is always the toughest part of human history. Who will distribute goods. Who decides how much is distributed and what is distributed? We are talking about a change in the very instinct of the animal. There will be tremendous impact on the human psyche and many religious texts.

A lot of this stuff is further along than many think. There are already completely automated warehouses

.


Look at this in a different direction. Companies consider humans the most expensive part of the system. We have to be paid everyday. We have to sleep, we have to eat, we make mistakes at every stage of the operation that a computer doesn't and we crash vehicles, lose inventory because of loading and packing mistakes, etc. They have redundant systems and backups that we don't. They can simply make the whole process more efficient. The insurance industry can keep the same rates and cake off of it because they would be paying out far less. Even if they have a accidents at a slightly higher rate(they won't), their efficiency at other stages will simply cost less money to companies.

Forget the small man or middle man in these situations. Companies like Wal-Mart, Amazon, Target, big oil, etc are creating their own vehicles and will own the shipping process from A to B. It won't happen this decade, but we'd be naive to think we won't be the ones squeezed out.

Some ask why this would be bad. Well, perhaps in the long term it will be good, but in the short-term, the transition will be the painful part. People are reactionary, and governments are even more reactionary. The initial adjustment will be slow and the jobs will disappear without much notice, as they are now. The pace of soft skill jobs has to keep up before those disappear further in the century. Half of the US doesn't think old people deserve social security or that healthcare is important to the society as a whole. How do you think they will feel about unemployed adults, even when reality is telling them there are no jobs. They will say, they should have done STEM.

Not even STEM is safe from technology. When machines exist to repair other machines, is when shyt will turn ugly on the job front. Soon, most workers, even IT workers, will be unemployed and have a lot of free time when machines run society on some iRobot shyt.

 

[ltheghost]

Damn. the future is coming...those jobs are going to be GONE.....for Captain Phillips! lol

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Why would they do this when it will eliminate jobs? It will also make cargo ships more of a target.

 

[Poitier]

Why would they do this when it will eliminate jobs? It will also make cargo ships more of a target.

Because rich people don't care about your existence. Those cargo ships will be outfitted with the latest weaponry and the top of the line artificial intelligence. Knuck if you buck.

The world is only going to become more artificial, computerized and dehumanized as we move forward in history unless someone stops White billionaires from carrying out their technocratic crony globalism fantasies.

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Because rich people don't care about your existence. Those cargo ships will be outfitted with the latest weaponry and the top of the line artificial intelligence. Knuck if you buck.

The world is only going to become more artificial, computerized and dehumanized as we move forward in history unless someone stops White billionaires from carrying out their technocratic crony globalism fantasies.

I know this, it was a rhetorical question.

Thanks for the summary of my future.

 

[Poitier]

I know this, it was a rhetorical question.

Thanks for the summary of my future.

Are you scared and do you suffer from anxiety thinking about it?

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Are you scared and do you suffer from anxiety thinking about it?

I'm breathing right now, I don't know when I'll stop breathing. It's better that I enjoy my time now and worry about White Billionaires later.