Roger Clemens Comeback Starts Tonight

[HHR]

this dude too scared to kill himself

let it go dog its over and you and Bonds will be remembered as cheaters

Pedro/Maddux/JR the goat 90s players

90s Bonds > 90s Griffey

 

[Brozay]

90s Bonds > 90s Griffey

Frank Thomas was a better hitter than both of them... While clean

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Come on..bonds pumped himself full of drugs to the point he grew 2 shoe sizes and two hat sizes

Griffey >>>

 

[VegetasHairline]

Frank Thomas was a better hitter than both of them... While clean

Manny Ramirez was a better hitter than Frank Thomas.

I don't care that dudes used roids or PEDs, they were hitting off of pitchers using the same drugs they were.

Roids and PEDs may help your strength but they aren't helping your hand eye coordination.

NOBODY had better hand eye coordination than Barry Bonds.

 

[HHR]

Frank Thomas was a better hitter than both of them... While clean

Bonds was a GG outfielder while Thomas was below average 1B/DH

And he wasn't a better hitter than Bonds anyway. They were nearly identical.

Bonds was the best player in the 90s. Period.

 

[Captain Crunch]

He shouldn't be?

Where do we draw the line?

THIS

 

[HHR]

Come on..bonds pumped himself full of drugs to the point he grew 2 shoe sizes and two hat sizes

Griffey >>>

Bonds wasn't doing that in the 90s. And he was still better than Griffey.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Bonds wasn't doing that in the 90s. And he was still better than Griffey.

As soon as he saw all the attention McGwire and Sosa were getting he started so late 90s

Don't get me wrong I loved watching bonds play but it hurts me that everytime his name gets brought up there will be an asterisk..he didn't need steroids

 

[HHR]

OK, should he not be a Hall Of Famer though?

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

OK, should he not be a Hall Of Famer though?

Yeah man..first ballot
But..should mcgwire?

 

[HHR]

A few years ago I would have said no. The difference between him and Bonds/Clemens in MY EYES, is that the PEDs contributed the bulk of his value. That's unprovable and completely subjective though

I've come around though, and this point I'd say yes McGwire should be in the HOF. His numbers are deserving, and the steroid issue is so clouded that it's unfair IMO to only hold it against those players who have either admitted use or tested positive. I'm in favor of voting anyone in who deserves it, it's not like it will erase the questions about their "legitimacy"

Some voters were holding...something...against Jeff Bagwell in their voting last year. Nevermind that he was never linked to steroids at any point in his career. There weren't even whispers. The only argument was that he was a dominant power hitter who played during an era in which other players have admitted to or have been accused of using PEDs. That's shameful, but it points to the much larger issue.

 

[muzikfrk75]

Frank Thomas was a better hitter than both of them... While clean

No.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

A few years ago I would have said no. The difference between him and Bonds/Clemens in MY EYES, is that the PEDs contributed the bulk of his value. That's unprovable and completely subjective though

I've come around though, and this point I'd say yes McGwire should be in the HOF. His numbers are deserving, and the steroid issue is so clouded that it's unfair IMO to only hold it against those players who have either admitted use or tested positive. I'm in favor of voting anyone in who deserves it, it's not like it will erase the questions about their "legitimacy"

Some voters were holding...something...against Jeff Bagwell in their voting last year. Nevermind that he was never linked to steroids at any point in his career. There weren't even whispers. The only argument was that he was a dominant power hitter who played during an era in which other players have admitted to or have been accused of using PEDs. That's shameful, but it points to the much larger issue.

Theres whispers about Bagwell as well as Piazza

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

My original point was that espn decided who they like

If bonds was playing in a game tonight there wouldn't be 10 analysts pleading his case

 

[HHR]

Theres whispers about Bagwell as well as Piazza

Piazza yes, Bagwell no

I wasn't considering the "Hey that guys in good shape and good at baseball = steroids" as whispers. That's just irresponsible idiocy.