Rioting in Brooklyn, after its revealed kimani gray was shot in the back by pigs

[MikeBrownsJob]

Protesters taunt cops on Church Ave.

I count 11. 7 of them will do bids removing them from the workforce permanently. The four left, 2 are homosexuals and don't know it yet.

 

[FluffyCorleone]

I count 11. 7 of them will do bids removing them from the workforce permanently. The four left, 2 are homosexuals and don't know it yet.

You mean 3. There's a third guy who sorta sags his pants low.

 

[The Real]

his criminal record has to do with how believable the police assertion is that he had a gun, if he did have a gun, then its a wrap, if he didnt then you can say its police abuse

it doesnt mean its ok, but it does mean the cops are not legally liable and that this guy was a criminal

The legal liability depends on whether they knew about his record and used it as a basis for action (though even then, excessive force is an issue.) They didn't look up his record before they killed him- that's why I'm saying it could have been anyone, gun or not.

If he was carrying a gun, and was carrying it for someone else, it was partly his fault, but we don't know all the details- people who end up in these situations are usually coerced into it, especially if they're young, immature, etc, like this kid.

 

[theworldismine13]

The legal liability depends on whether they knew about his record and used it as a basis for action (though even then, excessive force is an issue.) They didn't look up his record before they killed him- that's why I'm saying it could have been anyone, gun or not.

If he was carrying a gun, and was carrying it for someone else, it was partly his fault, but we don't know all the details- people who end up in these situations are usually coerced into it, especially if they're young, immature, etc, like this kid.

nah, if he was carrying a gun its a wrap because that would put the preponderance of evidence on the cops side, its possible he never pointed it at them but that is neither her nor there because because legally speaking the existence of the gun would seal the cops side of the story

but yeah if the cops tell you to freeze and you dont freeze you are putting yourself in danger and that does apply to everyone

 

[The Real]

nah, if he was carrying a gun its a wrap because that would put the preponderance of evidence on the cops side, its possible he never pointed it at them but that is neither her nor there because because legally speaking the existence of the gun would seal the cops side of the story

Unfortunately, it may, though it still wouldn't make it true. At the end of the day, he was shot from the back. But you're right, that's what the cops will use to justify what they did. That doesn't void the justification of protest, though, since there are still questions of abuse.

but yeah if the cops tell you to freeze and you dont freeze you are putting yourself in danger and that does apply to everyone

Absolutely, but that's not always what comes to mind for little kids, especially kids in his circumstance. In panic mode, sometimes people just flee by reflex.

 

[theworldismine13]

Unfortunately, it may, though it still wouldn't make it true. At the end of the day, he was shot from the back. But you're right, that's what the cops will use to justify what they did. That doesn't void the justification of protest, though, since there are still questions of abuse.



Absolutely, but that's not always what comes to mind for little kids, especially kids in his circumstance. In panic mode, sometimes people just flee by reflex.

sure protesting is always good, rioting not so much

i remember reading about this lady who sat down in the front of a segregated bus and got arrested way before rosa parks, but civil rights leaders decided not to pursue it becuase they didnt like her background (out of wedlock mother) and that a lot of the rosa parks incident was actually planned out

the point om making is that strategy and PR is important and that no matter how you flip its very obvious this kimani gray was an out of control bummy individual, so while he may have been the victim of overzealous cops, as a strategy using him as a posterboy as a victim of police abuse may not really be an angle we would want to pursue, just saying

on top of that its the other issue that he himself was part of the crime problem, so he himself is a person that we should be up in the street protesting about

 

[FreshABM]

This is why I didn't make this thread in the coli...

Some of these responses are disgusting

I dapped who I agree with in this thread

Because I have to remember this is the coli and most of the dudes on here who post look like @C-Styles so they can't relate

They think its justifiable for a cop to kill another human being because he might of had a gun on him

people saying it was rioting ..don't you know the police and the ppl in power will label it that..if you think some kids running in a fuccing 7 11 is rioting ...your life is sad..
does that justify 11 shots?? what type of cop needs 11 shots without 1 shot being bust back at them?? Why was he shot in the back ...

that question is rhetorical because remember this is the coli

shyt just sad that this is supposed to be "higher learning"

 

[ltheghost]

Damn Rest in Peace Young Man. Its a damn shame this type of shyt still happens today when you have undercover police shooting people down. I hope something productive comes out of this between the NYPD and the citizens they are supposed to be protecting and serving. If not tear that bytch up until they get the point.

 

[The Real]

sure protesting is always good, rioting not so much

Sure, but the cops are going to paint the entire protest as a riot and exaggerate even the smallest unruly elements. This is a classic strategy that's used no matter who is protesting and what is being protested, as long as it indicts them in some way.

the point om making is that strategy and PR is important and that no matter how you flip its very obvious this kimani gray was an out of control bummy individual, so while he may have been the victim of overzealous cops, as a strategy using him as a posterboy as a victim of police abuse may not really be an angle we would want to pursue, just saying

on top of that its the other issue that he himself was part of the crime problem, so he himself is a person that we should be up in the street protesting about

Following from my last point, if you're looking for the perfect martyr, you'll be waiting a long time, especially since the police are going to be doing everything they can to make the victim look as flawed as possible in order to get themselves off the hook. People rallying over the Rodney King incident produced a lot of violence and rioting, but it also produced a lot of good.

As for him being part of the crime problem, that remains to be seen. Like I said, he may well have been coerced into carrying the gun. We're talking about a little kid. I don't think it's fair yet to describe him as "out of control" or "bummy."

 

[NZA]

i dont want to look like im using this death as an excuse to shoehorn this in, i genuinely feel it is connected, the war on drugs needs to end. if you have a "war" in these communities, you will militarize people on both sides, the cops, and these little thuglets out here are carrying guns as soldiers in the war on drugs, and no soldier in their right mind is going to give up advantages. under these conditions, it is only natural that people get shot every day.

 

[88m3]

Hes trolling

My sympathy wears thin. Everyone knows the NYPD is fukkED UP. So if this kid really was holding he was an idiot. A black man in EF is enough of a damn target. Cop tells you to do something you do it and don't hesitate. Tell them what they need to know. Only God knows what happened with this kid, but if it were as simple as cops planting guns on people to shoot them there would be a LOT more police shootings.

Why justify what the NYPD does?
It's inexcusable, they kill us by the dozens because they "can".
How do you expect us to feel, we're being held hostage.

I guess his life wasn't worth anything to you, but I'm sure he meant the world to his family and friends.

Pretty messed up on your part. Not that I expect you to understand.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Why justify what the NYPD does?
It's inexcusable, they kill us by the dozens because they "can".
How do you expect us to feel, we're being held hostage.

I guess his life wasn't worth anything to you, but I'm sure he meant the world to his family and friends.

Pretty messed up on your part. Not that I expect you to understand.

What does his life have to do with anything. If he did have an illegal gun on him and he pulled it out on the cops, he clearly didn't value his life... so why should we?

 

[88m3]

What does his life have to do with anything. If he did have an illegal gun on him and he pulled it out on the cops, he clearly didn't value his life... so why should we?

Your face is as red as my steak.


What does his life have to do with anything?
He shouldn't be dead.




The cops gunned him down, back turned, in cold blood.


You're making up hypotheticals.

Yeah I'm sure he didn't value his life.
Please don't degenerate into your st0rmfr0nt slanted posts.

 

[the mechanic]

What does his life have to do with anything. If he did have an illegal gun on him and he pulled it out on the cops, he clearly didn't value his life... so why should we?

Every life is valuable b....But I see your point..some posters are acting this young man wasnt on his way to trouble..broken home,criminal record,carrying heat and loitering on the street corners at midnight these lost young knuckleheads are the reason why chicago and every hood is always making the wrong kind of news..i wish he had survived to change his life.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Every life is valuable b....But I see your point..some posters are acting this young man wasnt on his way to trouble..broken home,criminal record,carrying heat and loitering on the street corners at midnight these lost young knuckleheads are the reason why chicago and every hood is always making the wrong kind of news..i wish he had survived to change his life.

That's how i feel breh...

I've experienced firsthand growing up in these streets how dirty NYC cops, I would never take their word over anybody but fukk out of here trying to defend this dude...This individual represented everything that is wrong with the black community...He didn't get shot because he's black, he got stopped because he's black...He got shot because he was an ignorant low life wannabe gangster piece of shyt...It's a shame he died before he had a chance to change his life around but this is not an individual the black community should be rallying behind...