Ridder Me This, Ridder Me That: Do We Have a QB? - Official 2023 Atlanta Falcons Thread

[Professor K.]

A lot of that makes no sense:

He’s shown nothing in the NFL that wasn’t evident in his tape in college. There wasn’t some gap in evaluation. So TF simply didn’t have anyone in the building that could evaluate a QB? That’s non-sense.

AS was in the room and didn’t push to have him. Now AS wants him at a significant higher investment when he’s basically the same player just with experience? Unlikely.

You assume he’s going be a reasonable price, he’s likely cost multiple picks in higher rounds.

You assume he’s not going to expect top 5-10 $. How do you know that.?

The same NFL FO that didn’t draft a player rarely if ever trades for that same player using significant draft capital and salary cap allocation. Especially at QB. Do you have one example of this?

All of your reasoning is skewed to thinking Fields is the solve. There is nothing to suggest that TF and AS now go 180 at a higher investment to acquire QB they didn’t want just a few years ago.

1. Pro tape and college tape are as different as.... pro football and college football

2. You're making as many assumptions as I am. Unless this turns into a crazy bidding war(which it shouldn't since JF sux, right?), the Bears are gonna have their hand forced to move him

3. Daniel Jones is arguably his closest comp as far as "hasn't really proven himself but it's time for a new deal" in recent memory and he's tied for 9th in AAV. Everybody higher has significantly stronger resumes

4. Stefon Diggs, Jalen Ramsey, Frank Clark, Odell Beckham, Deshaun Watson, etc. Player trades are rare in the NFL in general and I'm not about to go look through who was each teams GM at the time or whatever other caveats you wanna put on it. Fact is teams trade for players they could've drafted but didn't. It's not a revolutionary concept.

5-6. There's nothing to suggest they didn't want him or would be doing a 180 just because they didn't draft him. If that's the case then they don't want Chase, Parson, Penei Sewell, Jaylen Waddle, or literally anyone else that was drafted after Kyle Pitts. Hell, they don't even want the rest of the picks they made because if they wanted them they would've drafted them over one of the best pass catching prospects of all time, right?

I'm not even tryna drive the JF bandwagon like that. I'd rather trade up for Daniels personally. But to act like breh is Quincy Carter Jr. and it's the most preposterous thing yall ever heard in yall lives to trade for him is fukkin radikalis

 

[The ADD]

1. Pro tape and college tape are as different as.... pro football and college football

2. You're making as many assumptions as I am. Unless this turns into a crazy bidding war(which it shouldn't since JF sux, right?), the Bears are gonna have their hand forced to move him

3. Daniel Jones is arguably his closest comp as far as "hasn't really proven himself but it's time for a new deal" in recent memory and he's tied for 9th in AAV. Everybody higher has significantly stronger resumes

4. Stefon Diggs, Jalen Ramsey, Frank Clark, Odell Beckham, Deshaun Watson, etc. Player trades are rare in the NFL in general and I'm not about to go look through who was each teams GM at the time or whatever other caveats you wanna put on it. Fact is teams trade for players they could've drafted but didn't. It's not a revolutionary concept.

5-6. There's nothing to suggest they didn't want him or would be doing a 180 just because they didn't draft him. If that's the case then they don't want Chase, Parson, Penei Sewell, Jaylen Waddle, or literally anyone else that was drafted after Kyle Pitts. Hell, they don't even want the rest of the picks they made because if they wanted them they would've drafted them over one of the best pass catching prospects of all time, right?

I'm not even tryna drive the JF bandwagon like that. I'd rather trade up for Daniels personally. But to act like breh is Quincy Carter Jr. and it's the most preposterous thing yall ever heard in yall lives to trade for him is fukkin radikalis

You won’t go look because you know that a GM trading or a player he passed on in the first round with the same team is beyond rare.

You keep bringing up other names but we are talking about one player in a very specific situation. Every other player you want to list is not the topic at hand. This an about QB, the most highly valued position in the league. They had all of that time to do the due diligence and passed.

I’ll be very clear. To think that this front office is likely to trade for a QB they passed on in the first round, less than 4 years ago, while paying with significant draft capital and salary cap allocation is unlikely. It’s simply not how GMs think. They are far more likely to sign a short term vet and take a rookie.

You are in your feels about Fields as a player. It’s not a good business move like @AVXL and it’s also a tough sell to ownership of why you didn’t take him before and now you have to invest so much to take him now.

 

[Professor K.]

You won’t go look because you know that a GM trading or a player he passed on in the first round with the same team is beyond rare.

You keep bringing up other names but we are talking about one player in a very specific situation. Every other player you want to list is not the topic at hand. This an about QB, the most highly valued position in the league. They had all of that time to do the due diligence and passed.

I’ll be very clear. To think that this front office is likely to trade for a QB they passed on in the first round, less than 4 years ago, while paying with significant draft capital and salary cap allocation is unlikely. It’s simply not how GMs think. They are far more likely to sign a short term vet and take a rookie.

You are in your feels about Fields as a player. It’s not a good business move like @AVXL and it’s also a tough sell to ownership of why you didn’t take him before and now you have to invest so much to take him now.

You act like you're making some kind of point when trading players in the NFL was rare period before the last couple of years. Looking for examples of something specific already happening as proof that it won't ever happen is dumb. Unprecedented shyt happens all the time, like drafting a TE 4th overall

You: "they don't want him now because they didn't draft him then"
Me: "so they don't want players they didn't draft"
You: *ohthatwasdifferent.gif*

Yes, they are more likely to draft and/or sign as a FA one of 20+ potential QB options than they are to specifically trade for 1 QB who may not even be available. Astute observation there, ole chap.

What's not a good business move is being too prideful to reevaluate your decisions and make the best move possible for today because you're afraid of looking bad for not doing it before. NEITHER ONE OF US HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT JUSTIN FIELDS TODAY, but IF they feel he's a viable option and they decide not to pursue him JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT DRAFT HIM 3 YEARS AGO, then that's gross malpractice and they should be fired on the spot.

Only thing I'm in my feels about is this hoe ass team letting me down the past 25 years. I could give a fukk if we get Fields or not as long as we evaluate all options and make the best move humanly possible to get a QB that leads this team to victory

 

[The ADD]

You act like you're making some kind of point when trading players in the NFL was rare period before the last couple of years. Looking for examples of something specific already happening as proof that it won't ever happen is dumb. Unprecedented shyt happens all the time, like drafting a TE 4th overall

You: "they don't want him now because they didn't draft him then"
Me: "so they don't want players they didn't draft"
You: *ohthatwasdifferent.gif*

Yes, they are more likely to draft and/or sign as a FA one of 20+ potential QB options than they are to specifically trade for 1 QB who may not even be available. Astute observation there, ole chap.

What's not a good business move is being too prideful to reevaluate your decisions and make the best move possible for today because you're afraid of looking bad for not doing it before. NEITHER ONE OF US HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT JUSTIN FIELDS TODAY, but IF they feel he's a viable option and they decide not to pursue him JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT DRAFT HIM 3 YEARS AGO, then that's gross malpractice and they should be fired on the spot.

Only thing I'm in my feels about is this hoe ass team letting me down the past 25 years. I could give a fukk if we get Fields or not as long as we evaluate all options and make the best move humanly possible to get a QB that leads this team to victory

Part of that evaluation is what you will have to pay now vs what you could have paid compared to your other options. They are going to get taxed for Fields and that’s the core issue. Seems very unlikely that they like him now that much when he wasn’t taken before at a lower cost. The same HC that develops QBs wasn’t moved before.

I’d say it’s gross malpractice to do the deal when he’s not a top tier guy right now.

 

[Professor K.]

Part of that evaluation is what you will have to pay now vs what you could have paid compared to your other options. They are going to get taxed for Fields and that’s the core issue. Seems very unlikely that they like him now that much when he wasn’t taken before at a lower cost. The same HC that develops QBs wasn’t moved before.

I’d say it’s gross malpractice to do the deal when he’s not a top tier guy right now.

FedEx Jr can't develop a photograph, much less a QB

But say we could get him for a 2nd and a 4th from Chicago and a 35 million dollar deal(5 mil less than Daniel Jones). What say you then?

 

[#1 pick]

If that’s the case what’s your rationale in bringing in Russ or Tannehill if they aren't going to improve the team? Just tank it and get Sanders at #1 without having to trade up.

Because they not gonna go into next year with Taylor or Des. I would rather stink with a vet then waste a 1st on one of these QBs around our range and be in position to draft at #1 like Arizona when they drafted Rosen then Kyler.

 

[The ADD]

FedEx Jr can't develop a photograph, much less a QB

But say we could get him for a 2nd and a 4th from Chicago and a 35 million dollar deal(5 mil less than Daniel Jones). What say you then?

2nd round swap or the full pick?

 

[The ADD]

Because they not gonna go into next year with Taylor or Des. I would rather stink with a vet then waste a 1st on one of these QBs around our range and be in position to draft at #1 like Arizona when they drafted Rosen then Kyler.

Fair

You have a lot of faith in Sanders

 

[#1 pick]

Fair

You have a lot of faith in Sanders

Hell yeah. He's a beast. Look at what he did with that OL. He would be ready to play behind ours and it would be an upgrade with RBs and TEs, and WRs.

 

[Professor K.]

2nd round swap or the full pick?

Jacksonville's 2nd from the Ridley deal(if they re-sign him), around the 55th pick overall

 

[The ADD]

Jacksonville's 2nd from the Ridley deal(if they re-sign him), around the 55th pick overall

 

[AVXL]

I won’t say either way but again that’s basically saying you are going to trade up from 10-12 to get Shedeur. Won’t be cheap so you have to be convinced he’s generational.

Beck was dropping dimes in the OB, I did see those.

I can’t see how AB allows them back without addressing it in the near and long term. He has to for his franchise.

If we’re in this same situation a year from now obviously a lot would have gone wrong but Beck has better pocket presence (he’s not going to take sacks), better arm talent and has thrived in a pro style offense. Shedeur is cool but Beck is objectively a better prospect at this point in their careers

 

[The ADD]

If we’re in this same situation a year from now obviously a lot would have gone wrong but Beck has better pocket presence (he’s not going to take sacks), better arm talent and has thrived in a pro style offense. Shedeur is cool but Beck is objectively a better prospect at this point in their careers

They not going to like this

 

[AVXL]

They not going to like this

Folks are Sheduer Sanders fans because a lot of them became bandwagon Colorado fans because of Coach Prime. If you watch tape of both guys Sheduer holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary sacks. Beck is a better prospect and will have a better pro grade

As for the whole Fields thing, Falcons might agree with @Kaedus and @Georgiamuscle. I’ve given y’all my reasoning on why it doesn’t make sense and isn’t a fit but the Falcons are gonna do what they gotta do and might think Fields is that guy and are willing to literally mortgage the future for him. Again, I wouldn’t but shyt we’ll see

 

[#1 pick]

If we’re in this same situation a year from now obviously a lot would have gone wrong but Beck has better pocket presence (he’s not going to take sacks), better arm talent and has thrived in a pro style offense. Shedeur is cool but Beck is objectively a better prospect at this point in their careers

He's not even close to Sanders but go head and think otherwise. You probably think Bennett was better than Stroud

Sanders is superior to pre-snap and post-snap reads. Superior eyes. Superior mobility in the pocket. Goodness, he's literally better than Beck at EVERY fukkING THING. Beck's just on a superior squad. This is a worse comp than Stroud v. Bennett.

Quarterback Rankings 2025 NFL Draft

Quarterback s prospect rankings for the 2025 NFL Draft. Breakdowns of the best Quarterback prospects and averages of other scouting reports.

www.nfldraftbuzz.com