Rick James was a goddamn fool :dead:

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:wow: My OG's told me about Rick as a youngin' but damn! I swear my old bird (God rest her soul) was crying laughing for 10 minutes str8 when I first showed her that Chappelle Show episode...:wow:

Rick was trill (coke and all)...
 
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Prince was killing show wise, he felt that he had to everything he could show wise to remain on top, when fans didnt care, they enjoyed both, but prince was kickin his ass musically and visually during a tour rick put prince on as a opening act,Prince actin a fool in women drawls and high heels, got everybody hormones 100,000,000 whatever crowd they had ended up leaving mid show to go fukk somethin, immediately after Prince finished.

Prince was Ricks biggest competition, both knew it, look for the rick james germany show on netflix or on youtube, you will see the worst performance ever, but the music was flawless especially once he dropped big day on em,one of ricks best songs ever. Rick did way too much performance wise, played guitar,harmonica,keyboard, symphony conductor, had the mary jane girls singin mary jane in opera form..

One thing Rick couldve did that would fukk prince up , was collab with Michael, the one person prince was scared of, Mike was always ready to take prince head off sonically. Prince chose to fukk with Rick's head more than he did with Mike, up until Rick snatched prince up during his birthday party(ricks) and poured cognac all over him.


Prince fukked with Mike too. One time he brought Mike a present and when Michael opened it it was a box of charms and feathers, Mike thought Prince was trying to put a voodoo curse on him and Quincy Jones told him to burn it:russ:

Mike and Prince were ALMOST the Nas/Jay-Z of their era minus the diss records, both had a healthy amount of respect for one another but their was a real competition between them, Michael is actually know to be quite ruthless with people he thought were rivals.
 

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Prince fukked with Mike too. One time he brought Mike a present and when Michael opened it it was a box of charms and feathers, Mike thought Prince was trying to put a voodoo curse on him and Quincy Jones told him to burn it:russ:

Mike and Prince were ALMOST the Nas/Jay-Z of their era minus the diss records, both had a healthy amount of respect for one another but their was a real competition between them, Michael is actually know to be quite ruthless with people he thought were rivals.

That's some shyt I could see Prince doing too :banderas:
 

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I FOUND THE STORY I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER this shyt is hilarious.......


Purple Hippies and Michael Maniacs are still in a dance floor dispute. They battle at “Michael vs. Prince” parties, trying to settle a score in an argument that endured since the mid ‘80s. In fact, Michal Jackson and Prince themselves came close to an actual face off in 1987. The taunting title track of Bad, Jackson’s anticipated follow-up to Thriller, was designed by visionary producer Quincy Jones as a duet for Jackson and Prince. He arranged for the two to meet but it didn’t amount to anything past expressing mutual respect. And so fans were forever left to provide their own take on “Who’s Bad?” The feud remained vivid even in the mindset of mass audiences as comedian Chris Rock addressed it in his 2004 Never Scared show. He proclaimed Prince won over Jackson—at least, in terms of one’s sanity. Perhaps so, but this ongoing debate overshadows Prince’s initial effort to overcome a different musical foe: Rick James.


Like Prince, James issued his debut album in April of 1978. But he was the first to enjoy chart success and position himself as the next prominent figure in funk. James wrote, arranged and produced Come Get It! as a satisfying blend of hedonism and romance. It included thrusting grooves such as “You and I”, soul searching ballads like “Hollywood” and reeked of sex and drugs with “Sexy Lady” and “Mary Jane”. James dominated on bass while sporting a healthy horn section and relied on bright female backup vocals. His own singing was teasing and raw, but never too emotional to completely tarnish the party vibes.


James’ presented his cheeky style as “Punk Funk”, a clever marketing tool made to distance his blasting tunes from disco. That reputation further emphasized his fresh and unapologetic approach, shielding him from any risk of looking outdated. That was a key sentiment sought by James’ label, Motown. The prestigious label was an empire in decline during the late ‘70s. Its recent film endeavors flopped and many of Motown’s classic acts were gone, and resident genius Stevie Wonder was losing his edge with a concept album exploring the life of plants. So Rick James’ street smarts and appeal were in desperate need, bursting through with perfect timing.


James’ punk attitude and labeling also hinted a sacred bond with the disenfranchised, intriguing fans overseas. In a 1979 Blues and Soul interview, he pointed out the similarities shared by UK punks and his own rough experiences: “To me, a punk is someone who says what’s on his mind and doesn’t take no shyt. Punk… is relatable [to funk] because punk rock was poor, white British kids whose only vehicle to get away from their suppression and economic stress was through their music… Now, I was born in the ghetto and everyone in my band has starved and we’ve all been through the rats and roaches syndrome. We’re from the streets and we’ve been through the gang trip, too.” Rick James was 30 years old then, enjoying his big break after roaming around since the late ‘60s. Previously, he served some jail time for minor felonies, played with numerous bands and tried his luck in Toronto, Los Angeles, and London.


Meanwhile, Prince was barely 20 years old. He still boasted his high school afro and lived in his somewhat remote hometown of Minneapolis. Despite those odd circumstances, the young Prince secured a three-album record deal with Warner Brothers. His 1978 debut, For You, consisted mostly of bashful love songs that didn’t quite excite as much as James’ entry onto the scene. It was a rather moody album—even its lead single, “Soft and Wet”, wasn’t so daring. Despite acting as a one man R&B band—writing, arranging, producing and performing—Prince was still far from being in full swing. His wider musical spectrum rarely shined, only glimpsed through rocking tunes like “I’m Yours”. Vocally, he maintained a high pitch, which proved a bit tiring due to excessive overdubbing. The uneven effort and modest sales further increased Prince’s fears that he might be mismanaged by Warner’s industry-standard “Black Music Department”. He would soon pen more risqué tunes than before and establish a distinct image to avoid any kind of labeling.
 

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Almost effortlessly, Rick James was on a roll with his subsequent releases. Bustin’ Out of L Seven (1978) and Fire It Up (1979) quickly went gold, keeping intact James’ devious tradition of featuring himself with at least one girl on the cover. He also continued to avoid the strong social commentary funk was known for earlier in the decade, and showed no interest in creating a sci-fi alter-ego like George Clinton and his adventurous space cadets band, Parliament. Instead, he composed his funk tunes as a marching band for freaks—one of his most commonly used adjectives. In many of his songs, James presented himself as the natural go-to-guy for any kind of action. Resting his case in “Come into My Life”, he sweetens the deal by promising to “bring my private stash if you come”. James had a knack for pounding beats and didn’t permit long improvised solos. Still, he enjoyed shout outs, like “Horns Blow!”, cueing his group to step up. At times, James appeared as strict as James Brown was when he bossed around the J.B’s. But often enough, James led his parade at ease, demanding satisfaction and promising liberation for all the dancers, hustlers, and druggies to come his way.


Prince went on to record his self-titled second album in 1979, carrying a more reserved, mystical persona. He gave rare and awkwardly brief interviews which didn’t quite complement his newfound musical aggressiveness. “Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad” and “Bambi” soared with crushing sexual frustration; ballads such as “It’s Gonna Be Lonely” and “When We’re Dancing Close and Slow”, were now eerily erotic instead of hopelessly romantic. He generated profound intimacy by sparse instrumentation, soft voice and confessional lyrics, such as “sex related fantasies is all that my mind can see/ baby, that’s honestly the way I feel”. The looming theme of obsession was mostly sugar coated, for the time being, in the up tempos of “I Wanna Be Your Lover” and “I Feel for You”. Thus, Prince’s sophomore release was catchy enough to earn him his first immediate commercial success, including a national TV performance on American Bandstand.


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Prince and Rick James were turning heads as the new men of funk. Each was a bluntly sexually driven figure who was exciting to follow as he groomed a musical talent about to manifest in its entirety. Yet to fully crossover, both continued to depend upon the same fan base of young black Americans. In 1979, James had begun hearing about Prince without giving him a second thought. However, concert promoters regarded them as two of a kind and a guaranteed attraction if billed together. Soon, Prince was slated as James’ opening act for the Fire It Up tour. An inevitable clash was on its way.


James’ baffling first impression is duly noted in his autobiography The Confessions of Rick James: Memoirs of a Super Freak (2007): “The first time I saw Prince and his band I felt sorry for him. Here’s this little dude wearing hi-heels, playing this New Wave Rock & Roll, not moving or anything on stage, just standing there wearing this trench coat. Then at the end of his set he’d take off his trench coat and he’d be wearing little girl’s bloomers. I just died. The guys in the audience just booed the poor thing to death.”


Other accounts suggest Prince made a point in upstaging James. Either way, tensions were running high throughout the tour. Backstage shenanigans of stealing instruments, physical confrontation and general intolerance were served cold by each artist. Long after parting ways, Prince and James never resolved their resentment and remained touchy when comparisons were drawn between them.


For both, the ‘80s marked the beginning of trying times and notable turning points. Prince released Dirty Mind in 1980, which gained him the most notorious reputation he could have ever hoped for. His sexual frustration was slowly graduating into sheer confidence. Prince’s sensitivity in “When You Were Mine” and “Sister” had led to a challenging moral and sexual ambiguity. His desire was no longer confined to a traditional adult relationship. He also started to represent a collective thought, similar to Rick James upon backing those in need of “Bustin’ Out”. Prince’s “Uptown” and “Party Up” were also songs that projected the dance floor as the vital sphere in which a new breed will arise, free of any hang ups. He further crystallized this progressive idea with his own multi-racial and gender-bender backing group, soon to be dubbed The Revolution.


Prince adapted wholeheartedly the New Wave sound on Dirty Mind, and his subsequent albums also included plenty of synthesizer-based tunes, ditching the traditional funk gear and sound. He eschewed a “Punk Funk” tag to his current musical direction, but he did dress the part. He performed nearly in the nude with a new borderline spiky haircut, while attaching a “Rude Boy” pin to his coat, embracing the calling card of Ska-heads. He was also pleased to preach to NME straight out of the punk manifesto in 1981:”All the groups in America seem to do just exactly the same as each other—which is to get on the radio… Obviously, the new wave thing has brought back a lot of that greaser reality. There are so many of those groups that there is just no way many of them can make it in those vast commercial terms. So they have no choice but to write what’s inside of them. I think it’s all getting better, actually.”
rince and James’s kinship was most apparent in their various side projects.



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Prince’s days as a warm up act were about to end permanently as he briefly opened for the Rolling Stones in 1981. Their fans were shocked by his persona, ushering him off the stage moments after hearing the electro-rockabilly “Jerk U Off”. Prince’s sexual tones became too intense even for his own band mates. Guitarist Dez dikkerson lobbied for “Head” to be removed from Prince’s live set since this rowdy tale of oral bliss embarrassed and offended him. Having failed to change Prince’s mind, dikkerson eventually quit.


At that time, Rick James suddenly went tropical. His vacation in the Caribbean Islands stirred him away from his usual antics. Garden of Love, released in 1980, was a short and laid back suite he recorded while still under the influence of basking in the sun. Songs like “Island Lady” were drowned in the sounds of nature. Only its opening track, “Big Time”, was a typical self-celebratory party anthem. This change of pace wasn’t greeted with a warm welcome by the listening public. Humbled by its commercial failure, James went for broke, following it an offering in the complete opposite direction.
 

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Street Songs, out in 1981, was James’ most powerful record, founded on his renowned merits: glorifying harsh realities, rejoicing in sleaze and playing a mean bass. “Give It to Me Baby” and “Ghetto Life” were thrilling bumpers and the unexpected smash “Super Freak” solidified the album’s success. James was good as ever at exploring urban vitality, catching up on Prince’s foray.


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Prince and James’s kinship was most apparent in their various side projects. Feeling in top form, James decided to produce albums for his accompanying Stone City Band. Writing and playing with them enabled him to embark on other musical genres, such as reggae, and spread more strutting freaks and drug songs. Prince set up The Time out of a group of musicians from the Minneapolis scene. In principal, the band was molded in Prince’s lighter and more humorous side. It mainly mixed funk and comedy while turning into a playful nemesis of Prince and the Revolution.

The vast majority of Prince and James’ side-projects involved female artists. It was no coincidence as the ladies were tailored to enhance their own charged sexuality. Composing, playing, producing and sometimes adding vocals to their female protégés’ repertoire shaped Prince and James as men who could articulate women’s most intimate desires. It was also a way to channel more male fantasies than possible on their own albums. Within a few years time, Prince formed Vanity 6 and Apollonia 6, while later establishing the careers of Sheena Easton, Sheila E. and Jill Jones. Meanwhile, James put together The Mary Jane Girls and launched Teena Marie and Val Young.


Prince and James each acted as a kind of musical pimp: flooding the market with their own signature sounds, dressing the girls provocatively in lingerie and other revealing outfits to match the luscious lyrics. The pimping analogy was never lost on either of them. Vanity 6 was originally called the Hookers and Prince argued that lead singer Denise Matthews should adapt the stage name, Vagina. James on his part wanted to have The Mary Jane Girls as The Colored Girls, insisting on a racially diverse ensemble of his own.


Prince and James granted their female clones with the most explicit lyrics they wrote at the time. Evidently, the Parents Music Resource Center picked up on it in 1985, while campaigning for attaching Parental Advisory stickers on “objectionable” music albums. Impressively, Prince and James’ songs and related artists were accounted for nearly a third of the organization’s “Filthy Fifteen” list, which was the core of its claim to action.


Prince’s protégés were also supplemented his own dominant themes, such as car fixation. As Prince was singing about riding with a “Lady Cab Driver” and the implications of a “Little Red Corvette”, Vanity 6 had a motor wordplay in “Drive Me Wild”, and Apollonia 6 were expecting their lover in a “Blue Limousine”. James’ most successful outlet was the Mary Jane Girls, scoring club classics such as “All Night Long” and “Candy Man” and pop hits like “In My House”. The Mary Jane Girls outlived Prince’s girl groups, recording two albums, and in some ways eclipsed their creator’s success, since James was continually struggling to have another hit on his own, past Street Songs.


For better or worse, Rick James was tied to the old fashioned Motown legacy. He composed and produced the Temptations’ 1982 original line-up reunion single, Standing on the Top. It bore his instantly recognizable sound of bass and synth slaps, while James vocally backed the hoarse Temptations. A year later, James charted again on the strength of his mushy duet with Smokey Robinson, “Ebony Eyes”. The slow jam had the two out-singing one another in a friendly manner and they also shot an elaborate video together. Like others James made, he thought MTV was downplaying it in favor of Michael Jackson and Prince’s videos.


Just a few months prior to the blockbuster success of Purple Rain, James was already utterly fed up with Prince. Talking then to NME, James couldn’t stand another comparison being pointed out and ranted: “…Prince deals with sex and sex only. You’ve got love with me, hope, the future. I write about shyt the way it is.” Astonishingly quick, Prince proved him and other conservative critics wrong. He started to sing about God and the heavens frequently, while regulating his dwindling explicit songs to a B-side status. Prince’s spiritual journey soon resulted in 1988’s Lovesexy, a concept album of seeking divine guidance and positivity. By the time Quincy Jones invited him to record Jackson’s Bad, Prince was too old for name-calling.


James later admitted to losing his own fight with Prince: “I always felt our competition was healthy, although I was jealous when he started getting big—more than jealous—I was pissed… because I felt his songs… and a lot of his stuff wasn’t real.” Jealousy still prevailed when James left Motown in the late ‘80s. He hesitated in signing to Warner Brothers since Prince was one of their biggest stars. Eventually, James joined in but released just one album under the label. The drug addiction and further jail time derailed The King of Punk-Funk’s career for good. Clearly, contractual-wise, a duet between Prince and James was more feasible than one with Jackson. It may have also been a worthier match. Label them as you wish, Prince and James always knew there’s usually only one spot in the music business for a true super-freak and both aimed to rule it.
 

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I saw charlie murphy stand up live. Dude had me CRYIN laughin. Eddie big bro funny as hell. Too bad Rick James new found fame killed him thanks to Charlie's funny memories watchin his baby bro super star's back....dam:manny:
 

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James’ baffling first impression is duly noted in his autobiography The Confessions of Rick James: Memoirs of a Super Freak (2007): “The first time I saw Prince and his band I felt sorry for him. Here’s this little dude wearing hi-heels, playing this New Wave Rock & Roll, not moving or anything on stage, just standing there wearing this trench coat. Then at the end of his set he’d take off his trench coat and he’d be wearing little girl’s bloomers. I just died. The guys in the audience just booed the poor thing to death.”

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And then he went on to say he hates all music:what:

He comes off as a depressive,melancholy pessimist .


I saw another poster state that their aunt used to dance on the show....I had a uncle who danced on there around that same time(He's in his early 50's, also).


He got heated when you mention Don Cornelius.He told me Don was a frustrated homosexual:heh:

He also told me that any dude you saw dancing on stage/getting a lot of camera time was sleeping with/had slept with Don Cornelius.

He goes into :ahh: mode when talking about Jody Watley, but he said she was heavy dyking back then.

According to him, over 90%(Male & Female) of the dancers were gay

JOdy's gay?

why? :sadbron:

 

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I got to say Don Cornelius was a terrible host. He had a smooth voice and thats it. He had zero personality, zero swag, terrible mic presence he doesnt know how to ad lib the minute Rick strayed from the script Don didnt know how to play it off. I noticed in many Don cornelius clips ive watched.
I think that's part of his appeal. That nikka was smooth as shyt. Not extra animated like hosts today. I think Rick James is just so much of a personality that any host probably woulda reacted the same way.
 
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