Reverse Racism: (non gundumb edition)

[Mr. Pink]

Societies still tended to equate physical characteristics, such as hair and eye colour, with psychological and moral qualities, usually assigning the highest qualities to their own people and lower qualities to the "Other", either lower classes or outsiders to their society. For example, a historian of the 3rd century Han Dynasty in the territory of present-day China describes barbarians of blond hair and green eyes as resembling "the monkeys from which they are descended."

I have blonde hair and green eyes.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

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Those people were not considered a "race" people identified themselves within those societies as part of a clan or class first. The notion of "race" didn't exist. They didn't say "we're of the asian race and they are of the caucasian race" they said "these are outsiders". If there are people who look exactly the same but who come from a different country, they'll still shyt on them in the same way that they will anyone who looks different.

The modern notions of race that we have and that we're talking about here came about as a result of European thought. I'm not willing to argue this. The resources are there to bolster this point. I would rather just agree to disagree on this.

 

[daze23]

Those people were not considered a "race" people identified themselves within those societies as part of a clan or class first. The notion of "race" didn't exist. They didn't say "we're of the asian race and they are of the caucasian race" they said "these are outsiders". If there are people who look exactly the same but who come from a different country, they'll still shyt on them in the same way that they will anyone who looks different.

The modern notions of race that we have and that we're talking about here came about as a result of European thought. I'm not willing to argue this. The resources are there to bolster this point. I would rather just agree to disagree on this.

racism is just another form of tribalism IMO

seems to be a lot of people here that wanna "agree to disagree" and scurry away. I've noticed this topic tends to do that

 

[Gravity]

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" Jay Z

 

[daze23]

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" Jay Z

"if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" - Harry Truman

 

[T-K-G]

"if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" - Harry Truman

"the only thing he ever clapped was his hands he'll get butt raped, duck taped, the Michelin man, b*stard" -

 

[Propaganda]

Look, whether white people created the idea of race is irrelevant. What is important is the fact that the system of discrimination on the basis of race is a uniquely European invention that came along with the scientific revolutions of the time and those ideas have persisted.




I just feel like I'm going to be repeating myself at this point. I suggest someone makes a poll asking why blacks here feel superior and why and we can move on from there. The REASONS as to why they would or wouldn't feel superior are important. The reason "cac" isn't censored here is because lets be real here, most people have never even heard that term and the term that it is derived from is never used purposefully to offend someone. Other racial slurs should definitely be censored too if they're not, but again that would defeat the whole point of free speech.

Nobody is saying white people or others can't use the N word or any other racial slurs. They can go ahead and say it as many times as they want. Its not illegal, the police won't arrest you. If you get criticised as a result of saying it, then you have to be ready to deal with the people who will attack you.

cac isn't regularly used as a derogatory term now? kind of like how c00n is constantly thrown around as a term of affection, right?

 

[PartyHeart]

Terms like "cac" being discussed in terms of racism is quite honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read. I'm not going to waste time typing a whole lot of stuff because I'm sure a lot of people have covered it, but I'll give an example of why its stupid.

Consider a word like "idiot". I think everyone would agree that if you call a person an idiot, your intent is probably to offend and that the word in general is not very nice. But beyond the fact that its an insult, there is nothing else there for it to be tied to any real harmful thing. Beyond hurting your feelings, you being called an "idiot" does not draw on any societal bias or historic hardships, its just an insult like any other of the thousands of insults in the English language. That is what "cac" is.

The word "******" on the other hand, possesses all those things. It points to societal bias and painful historical hardships.

If you want a simple test as to why the two cannot even be remotely compared, just consider if white people would ever trade their current place in society with Black people so that they could do things like make racial jokes without there being a backlash or use racial slurs without reprimand. The choice would be incredibly easy for both groups. I don't know a Black person now who wouldn't trade having control of the media, government, and being looked at as the normal/default culture in exchange for not being able to say "cac" anymore.

 

[PartyHeart]

In short, if whites and other non-blacks want to get rid of what they deem the "unfair" ability for Black people to avoid as much reprimand for using racially charged words, your best bet is to fight to improve Black people's standing and get rid of anti-Black bias in so many important parts of society.

I guarantee you if Black people in general were not still hurting from centuries of racism, we'd be able to @ the word ****** and keep it moving.

 

[RugbyMan]

@PartyHeat

that's too much truth in what you posted. They're flinching and covering their eyes reading it. They don't want to acknowledge it.

 

[theoretic]

@ the notion that we can't all equal until all racial slurs stop being used

yeah, because my ability to use cac is a major holdup of progression

 

[TheGodGenesDecoded]

I guess eugenics,it's origin and financing by the U.S.A. is not true either huh?

 

[daze23]

Terms like "cac" being discussed in terms of racism is quite honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read. I'm not going to waste time typing a whole lot of stuff because I'm sure a lot of people have covered it, but I'll give an example of why its stupid.

Consider a word like "idiot". I think everyone would agree that if you call a person an idiot, your intent is probably to offend and that the word in general is not very nice. But beyond the fact that its an insult, there is nothing else there for it to be tied to any real harmful thing. Beyond hurting your feelings, you being called an "idiot" does not draw on any societal bias or historic hardships, its just an insult like any other of the thousands of insults in the English language. That is what "cac" is.

"idiot" is an insult that means you're stupid. I think we agree there's negative connotations to being "stupid"

"cac" is an insult that means you're white. we can follow the same logic and say that it implies there's negative connotations to being "white"

it's also insulting someone for something they have no control over. I think we all agree that it crosses some line to call an actual mentally disabled person an "idiot" (although I think the word used to be used to refer to a form of retardation)

 

[Gravity]

"idiot" is an insult that means you're stupid. I think we agree there's negative connotations to being "stupid"

"cac" is an insult that means you're white. we can follow the same logic and say that it implies there's negative connotations to being "white"

it's also insulting someone for something they have no control over. I think we all agree that it crosses some line to call an actual mentally disabled person an "idiot" (although I think the word used to be used to refer to a form of retardation)

So explain how the word cracker is an insult. ****** is an actual word with an actual definition. Define the word cracker in the racial context.

 

[daze23]

So explain how the word cracker is an insult. ****** is an actual word with an actual definition. Define the word cracker in the racial context.

it's a disparaging term for 'white' people