Republicans Try to Cut Food Stamps as 15% of U.S. Households Face Hunger

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so anyways when are we going to start talking about cutting the defense budget? Seams to me that cutting 15% of 5-10% of our total budget in an effort to responsibly spend is like cutting out your morning cup of coffee to balance out your $500 a night strip club spending.

ANYONE looking at our budget and arriving at THIS being the issue we need to address is CLEARLY arriving at that conclusion because it suits there needs as it does little to address the real spending issues we face.
 

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so anyways when are we going to start talking about cutting the defense budget? Seams to me that cutting 15% of 5-10% of our total budget in an effort to responsibly spend is like cutting out your morning cup of coffee to balance out your $500 a night strip club spending.

ANYONE looking at our budget and arriving at THIS being the issue we need to address is CLEARLY arriving at that conclusion because it suits there needs as it does little to address the real spending issues we face.
A purely fiscal approach undoubtedly requires cuts to everything. Military being one of the most complicated...
I agree with your post 100% :obama:







The entitlement discussion is one that has social implications that resonate much further, and present several moral/ethical dilemmas that people are passionate about.
 

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A purely fiscal approach undoubtedly requires cuts to everything. Military being one of the most complicated...
I agree with your post 100% :obama:




The entitlement discussion is one that has social implications that resonate much further, and present several moral/ethical dilemmas that people are passionate about.
fair enough, I'm coming in late to the discussion so I thought i'd get out the fact that if we're going to use fiscal responsibility then we're arguing about small dollars.

IF though, we want to discuss this on a social level that's perfect, it's sorta like our Obama care debate though. Most people just view these things differently.

SNAP can be a crutch, for some. For other's just a leg up, for society IMHO it's better to help the few and deal with the bad then not help at all. (hell even God was willing to let Soddom and Gomorrah slide if a few good people could be found.)

I will agree that there should be more stipulation in regards to receiving SNAP; GED or GED class requirements, maybe some volunteer hours (for those not working) etc, etc.

I agree NOT DOING SHYT is NOT the way to go, BUT I also don't think most people do this. It's like "voter fraud" yeah it's bad when it happens, but for the most part it's isolated.
 

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fair enough, I'm coming in late to the discussion so I thought i'd get out the fact that if we're going to use fiscal responsibility then we're arguing about small dollars.

IF though, we want to discuss this on a social level that's perfect, it's sorta like our Obama care debate though. Most people just view these things differently.

SNAP can be a crutch, for some. For other's just a leg up, for society IMHO it's better to help the few and deal with the bad then not help at all. (hell even God was willing to let Soddom and Gomorrah slide if a few good people could be found.)

I will agree that there should be more stipulation in regards to receiving SNAP; GED or GED class requirements, maybe some volunteer hours (for those not working) etc, etc.

I agree NOT DOING SHYT is NOT the way to go, BUT I also don't think most people do this. It's like "voter fraud" yeah it's bad when it happens, but for the most part it's isolated.
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Free to Be Hungry

The word “freedom” looms large in modern conservative rhetoric. Lobbying groups are given names like FreedomWorks; health reform is denounced not just for its cost but as an assault on, yes, freedom. Oh, and remember when we were supposed to refer to pommes frites as “freedom fries”?

The right’s definition of freedom, however, isn’t one that, say, F.D.R. would recognize. In particular, the third of his famous Four Freedoms — freedom from want — seems to have been turned on its head. Conservatives seem, in particular, to believe that freedom’s just another word for not enough to eat.

Hence the war on food stamps, which House Republicans have just voted to cut sharply even while voting to increase farm subsidies.

In a way, you can see why the food stamp program — or, to use its proper name, the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) — has become a target. Conservatives are deeply committed to the view that the size of government has exploded under President Obama but face the awkward fact that public employment is down sharply, while overall spending has been falling fast as a share of G.D.P. SNAP, however, really has grown a lot, with enrollment rising from 26 million Americans in 2007 to almost 48 million now.

Conservatives look at this and see what, to their great disappointment, they can’t find elsewhere in the data: runaway, explosive growth in a government program. The rest of us, however, see a safety-net program doing exactly what it’s supposed to do: help more people in a time of widespread economic distress.

The recent growth of SNAP has indeed been unusual, but then so have the times, in the worst possible way. The Great Recession of 2007-9 was the worst slump since the Great Depression, and the recovery that followed has been very weak. Multiple carefuleconomic studies have shown that the economic downturn explains the great bulk of the increase in food stamp use. And while the economic news has been generally bad, one piece of good news is that food stamps have at least mitigated the hardship, keeping millions of Americans out of poverty.

Nor is that the program’s only benefit. The evidence is now overwhelming that spending cuts in a depressed economy deepen the slump, yet government spending has been falling anyway. SNAP, however, is one program that has been expanding, and as such it has indirectly helped save hundreds of thousands of jobs.

But, say the usual suspects, the recession ended in 2009. Why hasn’t recovery brought the SNAP rolls down? The answer is, while the recession did indeed officially end in 2009, what we’ve had since then is a recovery of, by and for a small number of people at the top of the income distribution, with none of the gains trickling down to the less fortunate. Adjusted for inflation, the income of the top 1 percent rose 31 percent from 2009 to 2012, but the real income of the bottom 40 percent actually fell 6 percent. Why should food stamp usage have gone down?

Still, is SNAP in general a good idea? Or is it, as Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, puts it, an example of turning the safety net into “a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.”

One answer is, some hammock: last year, average food stamp benefits were $4.45 a day. Also, about those “able-bodied people”: almost two-thirds of SNAP beneficiaries are children, the elderly or the disabled, and most of the rest are adults with children.

Beyond that, however, you might think that ensuring adequate nutrition for children, which is a large part of what SNAP does, actually makes it less, not more likely that those children will be poor and need public assistance when they grow up. And that’s what the evidence shows. The economists Hilary Hoynes and Diane Whitmore Schanzenbach have studied the impact of the food stamp program in the 1960s and 1970s, when it was gradually rolled out across the country. They found that children who received early assistance grew up, on average, to be healthier and more productive adults than those who didn’t — and they were also, it turns out, less likely to turn to the safety net for help.


SNAP, in short, is public policy at its best. It not only helps those in need; it helps them help themselves. And it has done yeoman work in the economic crisis, mitigating suffering and protecting jobs at a time when all too many policy makers seem determined to do the opposite. So it tells you something that conservatives have singled out this of all programs for special ire.

Even some conservative pundits worry that the war on food stamps, especially combined with the vote to increase farm subsidies, is bad for the G.O.P., because it makes Republicans look like meanspirited class warriors. Indeed it does. And that’s because they are.
 

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hey, if you're born rich there's no reason not to vote democrat.

I frankly doubt you're black and if you are and think you're better than people who need help, you're sick.
 
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