Renting and reinvesting the savings from renting, will outperform owning and building equity

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Yeah... That's debatable, not absolute fact

And yes, you can own a house and invest. But the same applies to renting so that point is moot. The question is what is better strictly from a financial pov.

When people look at the rent vs buy debate, they only look at the monthly rental payment vs the monthly mortgage payment. The latter might be less, but what is not considered, and baked into the former, is:

1. Higher utility costs. Sewer, water, trash, usually isn't paid for by the renter. Unless the renter is renting a big ass house, the home owner will usually pay more for electric and heat. HOA fees. Landscaping. Clearing snow.

2. Maintenance. It's not a monthly bill but average out the cost of that new heater, roof, pipes bursting, the kids wrecking havoc... Conservative estimates of maintenance costs place it at 1-1.5% of home value per year. Renting eliminates that, and before you say that gets baked into rent, try passing $10,000 worth of repairs onto your tenant over 1 year :mjlol:

3. Opportunity cost of down payment and closing costs. That 20% you put down to buy a house is condemned to appreciate at an average rate of 4.1% (based on real estate prices over the past 30 years). That 6% in closing costs? Gone. You'll never see it again. Same thing when you sell. Imagine you take that 26% and throw it into index funds that track the market at historical rates of 9.5%. That's a lot after 30 years.

"Oh, I'll just put less down then." But then you pay more interest over the life of the loan, plus PMI which is a gift to the bank.

Now there are two advantages home owners have:

1. Mortgage interest is tax deductible.

2. Over the course of a mortgage, the payment to the bank (principal + interest) stays constant. Taxes and home insurance may go up but later in life the bank payment will become less than what you would pay to rent.

But here's the key point: it is very likely that for the first years, the cost of renting will be less than the cost of owning a home. And compound interest of an index fund where the difference is invested, will grow to a huge amount in 20-30 years. Investing the savings from home ownership later near the end of the mortgage, won't have as much time to compound.

It takes a spreadsheet to really do this breakdown justice, but if anyone is interested, google "rent vs buy opportunity cost".

Finally, I'm not saying that one should never buy a house. And if you want a house for sentimental reasons, go for it, whatever makes you happy. But from a purely financial decision, anyone who says it's better to buy than rent absolutely without crunching the numbers is a damned fool and math illiterate. Depending on the location, budget, and other factors, the smart decision may be to buy. Sometimes it may be to rent. The bolded is all I'm pushing against.
Billion dollar hedge funds buying up all the homes must not have gone to the coli for financial advice I guess :manny: all those banks looking to gobble up houses didn’t factor in the closing costs and 15 dollars a month sewer bills
 

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Billion dollar hedge funds buying up all the homes must not have gone to the coli for financial advice I guess :manny: all those banks looking to gobble up houses didn’t factor in the closing costs and 15 dollars a month sewer bills

:gucci: You’re comparing a person to a hedge fund?
 

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:gucci: You’re comparing a person to a hedge fund?

:russ:

In addition, a lot of these hedge funds buy the houses outright with cash. That eliminates interest, which is substantial over the life of a conventional loan, that most Americans take out to buy a house.
 

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In an expensive market, you should continue renting until such a time rent is higher than the mortgage payments.

This is the strategy I’ve been using over the past few years. People laughed at me for “wasting” my money renting, but In eight years, I calculate I will have enough to put down 50% towards the place if I choose.

Meanwhile, if I had bought a place with no money down or 5% money down, in 15 years most of my mortgage would still be going towards the interest and wouldn’t have made a dent in the principal.

Mortgages are scams if you can rent the same place for cheaper.


Speak on it.
I've been renting and investing. I feel like home owners leave a lot of the cost of ownership out when they tally up their profits.

When you sell stocks you do have that 15-20% capital gains tax but as a home owner you have maintenance cost, property taxes, and commission when you sell. Those sorts of things you will never get back. Almost nobody subtracts them from their home selling price.

Hell the commission the home seller pays the agent could be upwards of 5% alone in some states. You could also have capital gains taxes on the profit of the home sale.
 

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I've been renting and investing. I feel like home owners leave a lot of the cost of ownership out when they tally up their profits.

When you sell stocks you do have that 15-20% capital gains tax but as a home owner you have maintenance cost, property taxes, and commission when you sell. Those sorts of things you will never get back. Almost nobody subtracts them from their home selling price.

Hell the commission the home seller pays the agent could be upwards of 5% alone in some states. You could also have capital gains taxes on the profit of the home sale.

And homeowners get so emotional over this argument :mjlol:
 

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And homeowners get so emotional over this argument :mjlol:
How about appreciation and equity?

Yall don’t have the same thoughts as far as investing in real estate though, right?

Won’t the average rent continue to increase too? In 10 years, we might see average rents of $4-5k a month…. 20 years it’ll be 8-10k possibly.

But your mortgage payment will remain $2000
 

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When you sell stocks you do have that 15-20% capital gains tax but as a home owner you have maintenance cost, property taxes, and commission when you sell. Those sorts of things you will never get back. Almost nobody subtracts them from their home selling price.
You're still playing all that as a renter it's just not itemized.
 

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How about appreciation and equity?

Yall don’t have the same thoughts as far as investing in real estate though, right?

Won’t the average rent continue to increase too? In 10 years, we might see average rents of $4-5k a month…. 20 years it’ll be 8-10k possibly.

But your mortgage payment will remain $2000

Yep. These landlords want INFINITE MONEY
 

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Because of taxes and insurance.
That’s possible. I won’t deny that. But many counties offer tax abatements for 10-15 years. Or other tax incentives .

Also with the OP’s original post there are down payment assistance programs that most ppl qualify for especially if you aren’t 6 certs… up to $40k or even more depending on what you find. And that’s chicago

Texas has programs from $50k and possibly more

Also if you go with NACA
-no downpayment
-No closing costs or fees
-no PMI
-Below-Market Fixed Interest Rates: Offers competitive rates with an option to buy down the rate to nearly 0%
-NACA’s rates are usually below the standard national rates
 

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The mortgage isn't going up though, the taxes and insurance are and will keep going up after you pay off the mortgage.
You mean the principal & interest isn't going up.

Breh said your mortgage won't go up.

Ask anyone who was paying 2000/mo for their mortgage even just five years ago if they're still paying 2000/mo today
 
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