Relistening to Jay Z's "Super Ugly"....

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

Nas beat Kelis cuz she said hi to Jay at an industry party while he was SIGNED TO DEF JAM BY JAY

That don't sound like a winner to me and I'm a huge Stan of both

So you believe Kelis story

 

[ThirdAct]

Nas was against Jay talking to Kelis even though them, Jay and Beyonce was out here takin pictures like they were on some double date shyt

Stop believing this greedy ho Kelis and her

 

[QuintessentialMan]

Jay lost because of his ego. People had had enough with his cocky shyt and wanted to bring his arrogant ass down to Earth. He should have won cleanly because he was at the height of his career while Nas was at a very very very low point.

 

[JQ Legend]

I'm worth over a hundred million
I got beef with a hundred children
n***** with pink suits (fakkit)
trying to get cute

I know he's talking about Nas too, but there is no way that isn't also a swipe at Cam. He talks about beef with other dudes the line before, and we all know how Cam was dressing at the time.

Cam wasn't even on that pink shyt like that till like 03 bteh

It was a shot at Nas outfit in Street Dreams vid

Mega said the same shyt about Nas "nikkas talking bout street dreams rocking pink ass suits, fukk kinda dreams u having? "

Cam my nikka but he was a non factor in 2001

Edit: just saw how old this post is

 

[wtfyomom]

it wasnt THAT bad but it was rushed and mediocre, bp2 was way better the song but it was an aferthought sine jay rushed out supaugly. had he waited it may have had a bigger impact

 

[prophecypro]

Track was never that good, mainly caused Jay made himself look bad

 

[knnymac]

I've never heard this song.

 

[Jhoon]

I've never heard this song.

Never?

Am I really this old?

Have you even listened to the Funkmaster Flex Freestyle cd?

Can you explain the context of “happy ass beats”?

 

[Somebody]

Never?

Am I really this old?

Have you even listened to the Funkmaster Flex Freestyle cd?

Can you explain the context of “happy ass beats”?

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

All this is true and a good breakdown.

BUT

Super Ugly is still a great diss record that follows from Takeover. Ultimately, Jay-Z in Takeover characterized Nas as a clown fraud who exercises poor judgment. So Nas choosing to have a baby with an obvious hoe is an example of that bad judgment.

I think part of the reason Super Ugly didn't hit is because the industry as a whole made a decision that Nas was the winner and pushed it. And Nas already characterized Jay-Z as a marginally-talented, attention-seeking super stan. Super Ugly on the surface reaffirmed that Nas was right. The reality is that most people dismissed Super Ugly the moment dude said "I'm worth like a hundred million, I got beef with like a hundred children." The line itself is weak but the flow is awful. It's the worst line in the entire song, and it comes early. A little error like that is all it takes for you to lose. The song quickly recovers when he talks about having more shooters in the bridge than Nas but by then people have lost interest.


Jay-Z and Nas battle is a masterclass in how to approach diss records imo. Both came at the shyt from different angles. Though I think Jay-Z's approach is better in the long run.

No.

Super ugly is a terrible diss record. I remember when it premiered for the first time. It was lazy and cheap. It was so bad that Jay and Dame started saying it was just a freestyle off the top and that's why it was so light....

.....but Jay doesn't write rhymes so how could it have been a freestyle off the top? Everything he does is off the top. It was a damage control ducktale that lead to the concession speech known as Blueprint 2.

 

[SirBiatch]

No.

Super ugly is a terrible diss record. I remember when it premiered for the first time. It was lazy and cheap. It was so bad that Jay and Dame started saying it was just a freestyle off the top and that's why it was so light....

.....but Jay doesn't write rhymes so how could it have been a freestyle off the top? Everything he does is off the top. It was a damage control ducktale that lead to the concession speech known as Blueprint 2.

because he didn't rhyme on original production. They were already-used beats. Hence 'freestyle'.

Super Ugly is a top 10 diss record to me. Him being able to come up with something that great that quick is pretty damn remarkable. Many rappers could spend weeks/months coming up with a diss and not write anything a quarter as good.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

because he didn't rhyme on original production. They were already-used beats. Hence 'freestyle'.

Super Ugly is a top 10 diss record to me. Him being able to come up with something that great that quick is pretty damn remarkable. Many rappers could spend weeks/months coming up with a diss and not write anything a quarter as good.

Try again. That's not it.

 

[tuckgod]

Textbook definition of a struggle bar. Plus he dry-snitched on A.I.

Facts.

 

[wingstop]

Super ugly + BP2= The greatest diss song of all time