Religious freedom bill riles gay rights supporters

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My G Anderson Cooper just ethered AL Melvin on AC360.
He literally had the
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Anderson Cooper came with thst either. I remember when he would do shyt like that on topics that matter
 
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1. Atheists are a tiny minority with no social power. Anyway, the 10 Commandments shouldn't be in public buildings. That's secularism 101, and we are a secular nation. It is unfair to anyone who isn't Jewish or Christian to have them up there, because it privileges those faiths at the expense of all the other ones.
2. I don't understand where you're going with this point. Can you elaborate?
(1) The extreme Christians are also a small minority with no social power...The majority of people are in the middle...If this wasn't the case, then we will be in civil unrest...

(2) The second point was just highlighting the hypocrisy of humanity...For example, you may have a dark skin black guy saying "I only date light skinned girls and that's my preference," but the same dude will cry discrimination when he goes to a store and the owner tells him "I only accept white costumers because that is my preference"....

Now, with this example, some people may say "well, one is a personal choice and the other is a business discriminating by refusing services to certain people" In that case, what if it is a prostitute who is saying I don't accept black clients...?

Basically, people will ALWAYS discriminate when it suits them, and cry foul when they get discriminated against...
 

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(1) The extreme Christians are also a small minority with no social power...The majority of people are in the middle...If this wasn't the case, then we will be in civil unrest...

(2) The second point was just highlighting the hypocrisy of humanity...For example, you may have a dark skin black guy saying "I only date light skinned girls and that's my preference," but the same dude will cry discrimination when he goes to a store and the owner tells him "I only accept white costumers because that is my preference"....

Now, with this example, some people may say "well, one is a personal choice and the other is a business discriminating by refusing services to certain people" In that case, what if it is a prostitute who is saying I don't accept black clients...?

Basically, people will ALWAYS discriminate when it suits them, and cry foul when they get discriminated against...
:what:So if a man prefers red bones you think he doesn't have a right to be against discrimination?... you're trying to hard breh
 

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(1) The extreme Christians are also a small minority with no social power...The majority of people are in the middle...If this wasn't the case, then we will be in civil unrest...

(2) The second point was just highlighting the hypocrisy of humanity...For example, you may have a dark skin black guy saying "I only date light skinned girls and that's my preference," but the same dude will cry discrimination when he goes to a store and the owner tells him "I only accept white costumers because that is my preference"....

Now, with this example, some people may say "well, one is a personal choice and the other is a business discriminating by refusing services to certain people" In that case, what if it is a prostitute who is saying I don't accept black clients...?

Basically, people will ALWAYS discriminate when it suits them, and cry foul when they get discriminated against...
You really used prostitution as a "business" example breh ? Come on. :upsetfavre:

As a person, you have the right to choose who you want to interact with (because of your tastes or just because you feel like it).
As a business or an institution, a client is a client no matter who he is (except if he disturbs the peace obviously), you can't choose your client and that's why it's discrimination if you do.

But a prostitute is both (a person and a business), therefore, she has the right to choose. Will you really dehumanize her and say that she HAS TO pick whatever john comes to her because she's a business ?
 
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:what:So if a man prefers red bones you think he doesn't have a right to be against discrimination?... you're trying to hard breh
No...
You have the right to your preferences, but so do other people...So, if you prefer red bones, then don't complain when a white man wont give you a job because you black...
That is his personal preference, and he is entitled to it...

We can't justify discrimination with personal preference in some areas, and not in the others...

Gays have the right to express themselves within the boundaries of the law, but religions should also be afforded the same right...

If a Christian Bar owner refuses to serve gays because it is against his beliefs, then he/she should have the right to do...

Where do we draw the line...?

In my opinion you have the right to be racist (racist dating included), ethnocentric and whatever else, as long as you don't cause physical harm to people/damage their property, and you promote violence against other people...

For example, if you don;t want to serve white people in your restaurant because you think they smell like wet dogs, then that's your right...
 
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You really used prostitution as a "business" example breh ? Come on. :upsetfavre:

As a person, you have the right to choose who you want to interact with (because of your tastes or just because you feel like it).
As a business or an institution, a client is a client no matter who he is (except if he disturbs the peace obviously), you can't choose your client and that's why it's discrimination if you do.

But a prostitute is both (a person and a business), therefore, she has the right to choose. Will you really dehumanize her and say that she HAS TO pick whatever john comes to her because she's a business ?
(1) It is reasonable...
If prostitution was regulated as any service provider business, and a prostitute advertised that he/she only serviced a certain race, how would that be different than a restaurant owner posting a "whites only" sign in front of his establishment...?

(2) Of course, businesses can choose their clients...They discriminate ALL the time, by their choice of location, by the way their price their services, by the way they market their services and etc...

For example, if a Nigerian goes to a western restaurant that requires a suit and tie, but he chooses to wear his formal Nigerian silk robes and such, and the owner refuses to provide the Nigerian service because he is not wearing a suit and tie...

To me this is BLATANT ethnocentric discrimination...But I am not mad at the owner though, because that is his preference...

My only point in this discussion is all the laws we make to protect people against discrimination, automatically marginalizes one group and discriminates against that group...And in our typically human behaviour, we completely ignore this when we are the group benefiting from that law...
 

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(1) It is reasonable...
If prostitution was regulated as any service provider business, and a prostitute advertised that he/she only serviced a certain race, how would that be different than a restaurant owner posting a "whites only" sign in front of his establishment...?

(2) Of course, businesses can choose their clients...They discriminate ALL the time, by their choice of location, by the way their price their services, by the way they market their services and etc...

For example, if a Nigerian goes to a western restaurant that requires a suit and tie, but he chooses to wear his formal Nigerian silk robes and such, and the owner refuses to provide the Nigerian service because he is not wearing a suit and tie...

To me this is BLATANT ethnocentric discrimination...But I am not mad at the owner though, because that is his preference...

My only point in this discussion is all the laws we make to protect people against discrimination, automatically marginalizes one group and discriminates against that group...And in our typically human behaviour, we completely ignore this when we are the group benefiting from that law...
1. There are legal brothels in Germany and they operate like every businesses. Discrimination is forbidden. Then if a prostitute is legally operating (hypothetically), she would still be a person and a business in the same body, so she will still have the right to choose the people she interacts with even if it will not be very professional from her end if she discriminates. But prostitution is not a business like others, let's not compare a woman selling sexual services to a company.

2. That's not discrimination. Location, prices and services may rebut some people but there will still be no discrimination as in refusing to provide a service for an illegal reason. If I'm a poor and black and I choose to go to a high end restaurant in a white area, if I have the money to pay, I'll have the right to enter and the owner won't have the right not to serve me. Obviously, some marketing strategies are aimed at specific type of persons, I agree, but if people which are not the target of said business, still want to go there, the owner has no right not to let them in.

For the Nigerian example... If the Nigerian decides to go to a restaurant which has a specific dress-code, why won't he follow the rules ? :what: Their house, their rules (as long as they are legal), ain't it ? Dude has the choice to follow them and if he doesn't he may be refused the entrance but not because he's Nigerian or because he's black but because he chose (as you said) not to conform to the rules by dressing the Nigerian way. It will be logical then.

But I got your point even if I consider that there is no marginalization of said group if they are guilty of discriminating in the first place. I mean, the law was meant to "protect" (victims then) people from an unlawful situation. You can't then discriminate against people who commit unlawful acts. It's like saying an anti-pedophile law is marginalizing and discriminating against pedos. That doesn't really makes sense IMO.
 

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No...
You have the right to your preferences, but so do other people...So, if you prefer red bones, then don't complain when a white man wont give you a job because you black...
That is his personal preference, and he is entitled to it...

We can't justify discrimination with personal preference in some areas, and not in the others...

Gays have the right to express themselves within the boundaries of the law, but religions should also be afforded the same right...

If a Christian Bar owner refuses to serve gays because it is against his beliefs, then he/she should have the right to do...

Where do we draw the line...?

In my opinion you have the right to be racist (racist dating included), ethnocentric and whatever else, as long as you don't cause physical harm to people/damage their property, and you promote violence against other people...

For example, if you don;t want to serve white people in your restaurant because you think they smell like wet dogs, then that's your right...

Your analogy is off because what someone finds attractive is personal.
A job should be based of the skill you have to do the job your applying for.
 
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