HarlemHottie
Uptown Thoroughbred
What is shallow about the black family?
Reginald Lewis' widow speaks about the importance of their daughters identifying, connecting, and being proud of being African American
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What is shallow about the black family?
ThrobbingHood
Breh&Breh Associates™
I joke around a lot but that’s why I’m dead serious about only dating black women. I may not be able to control who my children ultimately marry but I’ll be damned if I start the bucking process.Dude worked his ass off becoming the first black man in America to run a billion dollar business (the vast majority of his employees were white btw) just to turn around and marry Asian and have his kids marry white.
Work hard all your life just for your wealth to go back into non-black hands.
If we cared so much about the black family, 72% of black children would not be born to single mothers.
Let's worry about the 99% before we focus our attention on the 1%.
It's Ego.
HarlemHottie
Uptown Thoroughbred
So you can't answer? What's the point of saluting black excellence if it never benefits black people? Can you name a single black billionaire who's not a future Caucasian? Just ONE.
This is why yall Boule nikkas be looking funny in the light to regular bp, the striving for white-adjacency, with the expectation that we're all supposed to support you (rhetorically, whatever).
Bp might do better with better examples. If we used them as a blueprint, we'd all be biracial.
The black family is not shallow.
The expectation that love, which transcends time and space, should be halted because of race, is shallow. Come on now, we're adults.
How does this pertain to RL whose money has sent countless black kids to college for free and has seeded countless black entrepreneurial ventures?
Is this a joke? Go through the black billionaires list and count for yourself.
Black billionaires - Wikipedia
If this was the case with RL, Loida would've been white.
You all go on and on about black wealth being trickled down as if there is an ecosystem in place for that to happen.
It's not.
Wealth doesn't circulate within the black community. It hasn't since the 1960's.
Y'all just sound angry with your fist raised to the clouds at this point.
You all can disrespect the likes of Frederick Douglas, Maya Angelou, James Baldwin, Adam Clayton Powell, Nina Simone, Marcus Garvey, Henry Lewis Gates, Jack Johnson, George Schuyler or anyone else that had a white spouse.
I'm not doing it.
But you all would support someone like Umar Johnson who champions his black queens..............but is not married to a single one.
And yet he still honors Frederick Douglass and Marcus Garvey...btw.
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Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
Eternally Jaded
Superstar
Don't have a dog in this fight at all but you do realize that this kind of thinking is behind the pronoun adherence that's currently the rage right now correct?
Switch race to gender and you're basically a social progressive activist.
I'm not jabbing at your personal choices but I am asking if you agree with where the inherent logic of that same mindset would lead?
Either you believe ish is fluid or you do not.
FluffyEyes
Mrs. Boss Lady
Well how could he have demanded them marry Black when he didn't?? No shade to Mr. Lewis
FluffyEyes
Mrs. Boss Lady
I'm not gonna bash a trailblazer like Reginald Lewis for his familial choices but I'll say the same thing I've said looking at Diana Ross, Donna Summer and even some of the Jackson's children: it does feel crazy knowing that not before long there will be white descendants in charge of their legacy.
That said, I'm glad his daughters have a root to their blackness, that their father was around to instill that.
That said, I'm glad his daughters have a root to their blackness, that their father was around to instill that.
Nothing I said is crazy. I mean Reginald wasn’t a regular cat like you, who nobody cares what they doThat’s how you sound bruh
You would sound dead ass crazy speaking your paragraph out loud in real life.
, he could have left an amazing black legacy but now his grandchildren from his daughter look nothing like him. I’m not militant I just like to see powerful African Americans keep it in the family
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New c00nsNew blacks.
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start surfacing hard when someone calls out c00ns insatiable appetite for some cat that’s not attached to a black woman
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
LOL, at some of my favorite posters going at each other in this thread...I guess I will opine.
I don't think we should make a moral argument about how any given individual should marry and I won't name or disparage anybody for doing so.
In my mind the work of Lewis' widow and daughters are outstanding and make them great members of our community in my book.
I think the bigger issue is the changing role of the Black elite and ideas of legitimacy in the Black (and other) communities. I read an article a few years back about how many very rich people surveyed felt they had more in common with other rich people, regardless of race/ethnicity/nationality etc., than with the middle or poorer classes of their ethnicity.
Black American elites were long the exception to this because of segregation. Even though there were differences between the rich Black in Bronzeville and the poor sharecropper in the Delta, they both faced similar circumscribed social networks and often went to HBCUs if they attended college, etc. That has been weakening since the 1960s and the pro-Black actions aside, many rich Black people have had to burnish their cosmopolitan credentials, if for no other reasons to rise in a world where Black people are almost non-existent. It's even harder for the kids--at least self-made rich Blacks came up in Black neighborhoods and society. Often their children aren't in Black areas, schools with very few Blacks, and then a PWI. J&J every two weeks is something but it is more to help those who want Black fellowship, it can't force identity.
This may not seem a big deal and they often give back to Black society through philanthropy, HBCUs (the Lewis daughters do both a lot with VSU, coding camps, the AAMH in DC etc.), but as rich Blacks become more similar to non-Blacks in their class, their legitimacy in the eyes of Black society could weaken, right or wrong. In the past this has caused social ruptures if elites are felt as "out of touch" while the masses see their position deteriorate.
Witness what we have seen happen to Kamala Harris, who went to a HBCU, became an AKA, and joined the Links. This checks the boxes for elite Black society and everyone (including her) thought this was necessary and sufficient. However, the way she has moved (or been perceived to move) relative to the dominant society along with her husband has made her seem disconnected from the Black community more than would have been likely during the 1960s. Back then rich Blacks supporting her would have instantly garnered her legitimacy, now to their surprise things are not so clear cut.
Honestly I can, but if you say a Black Billionaire that married a Black wife/husband, didn't divorce, didn't re-marry non-Black, and their kids married Black, then yeah the list gets a lot thinner. I would put David Steward of World Wide Technology in this category though his daughter Kimberly Steward hasn't married. Jay-Z is the other (Tyler Perry didn't marry but has a kid with a Black woman) but we'll see what the kids do. Besides that the list is mostly Black Africans I think.
Honestly, for all the barbs at the boule, at least in my experience, old money Black kids typically marry Black much more often than the kids of new money Blacks. I can't say why.
Yes, love is love and it is not good to "force" people to marry anybody. However, I really want to say it doesn't matter but in a macro sense it can. Communities attain wealth by 1) acquiring assets and increasing their value 2) investing or 3) inheritance (I'll leave violence and theft out though this happens too; reparations hasn't happened so I am not relying on that as a factor). If #3 is neglected than we have Black people relying on #1 and #2 every generation to build wealth. Part of the issue is the Black community is wealth-wise the most unequal in America so a disproportionate amount of our wealth is in the1% and 0.1%. So their moves affect wealth overall more than their White counterparts.
I guess we can say it isn't fair the well-off should burden this as far as their marriage decisions because of the Black wealth issue compared to regular people but there is an impact regardless. In recent years, 50% of mixed Black women and 80% of mixed Black men in the younger ages have kids with non-Blacks and that is in the general population---at high wealth and income those numbers go even higher. So having a non-Black spouse as a rich Black person close to guarantees you will have non-Black grandchildren. If there is a counter-example I am all ears. How will they relate to the Black community? Does Jennifer Beals continue to hang with Chicago Black society and give back?
Granted I have always wondered in my head the following: most rich families (of all races) blow their founder's wealth in 3-4 generations. Even if a large percentage of the wealthy Blacks swirl and are non-Black by generation three, a significant percentage of those that marry Black and have Black kids will lose the money too. Granted non-Black descendants means 100% of the wealth won't be in Black hands versus at least a chance with Black descendants. But this is a topic for another thread.
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HarlemHottie
Uptown Thoroughbred
I don't appreciate this characterization. Wealth is a community sport. If our best prospects marry out, we have nothing. Look around, 'we' have nothing.
I'm not disrespecting them, but low key, fukk them. They're irrelevant in this conversation. You named intellects and entertainers, neither of whom tend to reach billionaire status.
You're telling me that all these black billionaires can't create an economy? Then wtf are they doing?
I'll give it to the old Boule, they actually had obvious businesses,
Edit: And fukk Umar too. Who the hell is "you all"?