The Black Sheep
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I would even put Lil B above Em.
redman: i rank eminem up there with biggie and nas (vladtv interview)
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you said no where near them.
here's the issue with this statement. and i cant believe yall got me in here cappin for this guy. but truth is truth.
Eminem's story/life does not resonate with the same black demographic/audience that jay/big/nas did. its really that simple. em was on his crazy white boy trailer trash thing. That doesnt work for hood nuccas from BX, L.A. Houston, Chi, etc. But that doesnt mean that white boy wasnt ill on the mic either. You have to take yourself out of the equation for a minute. at least in terms of demographics and the idea that "i never felt em." thats not necessarily the point.
The point is this. for what em was trying to do did he do it and did he do it on a legendary level(i'm not talking sells or hype). we're talking skill.
How good of a story teller is Marshall in comparison to biggie, jay, and nas? I didnt ask you if he told stories that you knew about. I'm talking the ability to tell HIS story. how good was he at telling a story?
If Big, Jay, Nas were 10 out of 10 in this category. Where is EM?
How good was he with all the other technical points of rapping in comparison to these dudes?
the truth is. EM was on par with those dudes in these areas. again, you dont have to FEEL what he's talking about since he wasnt really aiming for you. he was talking to people that grew up like him. the same way jay wasnt aiming for white boys in trailer parks in detroit. jay was talking about the east coast, NYC black man life in the hood. scarface was talking about the black man hood life in the south. nas same story, same with any west coast artist or midwest artist for the most part. So stop disqualifying this white boy's abilities because he was telling a story coming from a broke white boy in a trailer park in detroit. You actually should give him props for not being a wigger. He stayed true to his crazy white boy self. and told his own story. crazy as they may have been.
Ok. All that said and I still don't think Eminem is ANYWHERE near their level.
Its not always about being 'technical' like a madman, its still about 'soul'..If your music never gets spun at any Black event anywhere then no way you can be great or top anything..I respect Red but hes way off on this one, but thats his opinion.
Most people are going to be judged for their moment, or run. Look at someone like Rakim being a consistent top 5 candidate yet he was getting called "old school" by cats that should have been his contemporaries. Same thing with KRS, same thing with Cube ect../between the predator to now has no effect on his moment in time where he was at the forefront of the craft.
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Eminem can not convey the black experience in America which is the core of what Hip Hop is and why it was created. I don't think anyone questions his skill level but If "MMLP" is Eminem's "Classic" then he loses by a landslide to "Ready To Die, ILLmatic and Reasonable Doubt". Eminem has given Redman constant props cause Redman obviously influenced his style (Even though plenty of Em's fans never even brought a Redman album in their life). Everyone has an opinion but take this debate to the streets and Eminem loses every single time.
"Hey Em what's the du-rag for, you ain't ever going to have braids, you don't know black pain" - Ja
"Hey Em what's the du-rag for, you ain't ever going to have braids, you don't know black pain" - Ja
I don't fukk with Eminem either, but I know damn well he's Top 10 
Its not even a question that if they were in a cypher (y'know, where you go to prove your skills as an MC) that Eminem would rap circles around all of them.
That's not to say his projects are better than theirs, and he's not riding the nostalgia train for anyone, and he's not Black, but he's still talented as shyt.
Its not even a question that if they were in a cypher (y'know, where you go to prove your skills as an MC) that Eminem would rap circles around all of them.
That's not to say his projects are better than theirs, and he's not riding the nostalgia train for anyone, and he's not Black, but he's still talented as shyt.
There's honestly nothing worse than a pasty, whiny, entitled fanbase, with an average age of 14, that doesn't understand hip-hop music.I think the problem is more so Eminem's fanbase than Eminem.
I legit think he has the worst fanbase ever...in anything...and it ain't even close, it's damn near a collective who's who of CACS, cornballs,snobs, and fukknikkas.
They're not objective at all, go on facebook in an article about Eminem, you'd think he's rap Jesus.
( or god)
You'd get murdered in the comments if you sackriding Em....
Em the # 1 rapper, technician, songwriter, storyteller, punchliner, lyricist, battler etc.
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The worse part is that cats that stan Em and know what the hell they talking about, is gonna get the
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combo from everyone else because of arguing with Eminem fans gets old hella quick
Just my two cents
Had his fanbase been more quiet and less hellbent on being the worst fans of all time, Eminem would be more tolerable.
Everytime I go on Youtube I see one of those prepubescent cacs talking about "The best rapper of all time is White."
ok so since you're saying hiphop = black experience. then EM cant be in any running since he aint black. So if thats what we're using to judge, then hey why even bring up the topic. but if we're talking about Skills alone. thats a different topic. but i feel what you're getting at.Eminem can not convey the black experience in America which is the core of what Hip Hop is and why it was created. I don't think anyone questions his skill level but If "MMLP" is Eminem's "Classic" then he loses by a landslide to "Ready To Die, ILLmatic and Reasonable Doubt". Eminem has given Redman constant props cause Redman obviously influenced his style (Even though plenty of Em's fans never even brought a Redman album in their life). Everyone has an opinion but take this debate to the streets and Eminem loses every single time.
"Hey Em what's the du-rag for, you ain't ever going to have braids, you don't know black pain" - Ja
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All I'm saying is that Biggie, NaS, Jay and you can throw in Tupac speak to the Black America experience there for their music will connect with that experience. Music is universal so I will never tell any race they can't "Enjoy" Hip hop cause they can obviously. But that experience is what Hip Hop is truly about. I've never denied Em's skills, I know he's dope. But that don't make you the GOAT. IMO, Em's best Classic fails in comparison to the others best albums. His catalog is decent but i wouldn't put it over NaS or Jay. Of course both Biggie albums are better than anything he dropped. Tupac's Best 3 albums are better than Em's
Rakim got 3 LP's better than his whole catalog. Em has had success and he earned his respect cause he obviously could rap and wasn't no Vanilla Ice. All the stats will say he should be the greatest of all time. Sales, Awards etc. But Hip Hop comes from a place of black pain and struggle. Nothing will ever change that no matter how expansive the Genre has gotten. Where do I rank him personally? There can be made a case for Top 20 overall. Some may have him higher just based on technical skill.
He definitely is the GOAT White rapper, lol (Which isn't a long list anyway). He did change the game form a White perspective of telling the "Poor" White experience. That's why I'm not shocked a large number of Em's fanbase don't even mess with Rap like that. I've met plenty of people that say, "I don't listen to rap but I like Eminem". I'll give him those first 3 LP's cause they were solid. His last 4 LP's were average to weak. Now NaS and Jay dropped some lackluster albums too. But their best albums are better than Em. I've listened to his entire catalog so I've done my research. Here's how I rate Em's catalog:
SSLP - 4.5 MICS
MMLP - 5 MICS
TES - 4 MICS
E - 2 MICS
R - 3.5 MICS
R - 3 MICS
MMLP 2 - 3 MICS
Nas - ILLMatic, STILLmatic, It Was Written > SSLP MMLP TES
Biggie - RTD, LAD > SSLP MMLP TES
Jay Z - RD, Blueprint, TBA > SSLP MMLP TES
Tupac - MATW, AEOM, MAK > SSLP MMLP TES
Rakim - PIF, LTFHY, DSTT > SSLP MMLP TES
Redman been an Em stan for awhile
Truth.Kanye first 3 albums better than Em discography, but imma chill doe.
And has better replay value too.