Reason (TDE) HAS heated exchange with Moosa (TDE), gets called a substitute teacher, blames TDE for lack of albums

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Doechii hasn't let me down musically, but I agree. Theres a push there.

SZA literally had random classic indie joints out there. Absolute slow burn.

Jay Rock should just go the Pusha T route frankly.

TDE tried to be too avant garde and let themselves get lapped. They didn't wanna end up like any other label...but forgot to DROP MUSIC :mindblown:

This is precisely why Drake is probably seeing Kendrick looking weak right now. Even Dreamville just stayed catering to their fans and didn't try to do something they weren't.

All these labels keep avoiding ending up like Rocafella or Bad Boy but forget you have to build something in the first place to be afraid to lose anything.

This what I was saying awhile ago. Jay Rock was in perfect position to ride the wave we see of gangsta shyt mixed with "motivation" music. You a Mozzy fan so you know exactly what I'm talking about. A lot of Detroit shyt is like that, plus various Atlanta artists, Meek etc. Nothing wrong with chasing hits here or there but his bread and butter is gonna be bangers and emotional tracks that get some traction on youtube but aren't hits. Instead they got him out here chasing radio and cutting his beard off lol. What the fukk are they doing man.

TDE was always late to adapt to shyt. They were late on trap, they were late on streaming, etc. Now they're out here over compensating, releasing 2 minute tracks and chasing Tiktok challenges. The only "against the grain" thing they've been right about IMO is crafting albums VS focusing entirely on playlists. SZA now has two bodies of work that people are going to cherish and play over the next decade. We already see Kendrick has multiple of those as well. But the rest of the lineup hasn't had enough shots at making that type of record. And the longer they wait, the more their careers die out. Which tells me you can't use the same strategy on every artist. Some artists have to drop every two years.

I think Kendrick is veering into that Eminem lane of being so disconnected from reality and music that he's making insular decisions that don't sound right. Maybe I'm wrong and this upcoming collab album with Keem will be dope but I got a bad feeling it'll be more of the weird, trivial raps with meh hooks. The funny thing is that Family Ties is the most popular thing they did together, it was a smash hit, everyone fukks with it...yet their other collabs are just weird troll shyt. Nobody is looking for "post-rap" shyt. Get some dope beats, rap over them, and come up with some dope hooks. Also...why the fukk won't they let Keem win on his own. You had a successful album, got a hit, and were on the biggest rap tour of 2022. It should be time for Keem to fly on his own...
 

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This what I was saying awhile ago. Jay Rock was in perfect position to ride the wave we see of gangsta shyt mixed with "motivation" music. You a Mozzy fan so you know exactly what I'm talking about. A lot of Detroit shyt is like that, plus various Atlanta artists, Meek etc. Nothing wrong with chasing hits here or there but his bread and butter is gonna be bangers and emotional tracks that get some traction on youtube but aren't hits. Instead they got him out here chasing radio and cutting his beard off lol. What the fukk are they doing man.

Theres no reason Jay Rock can't be where Mozzy is. In fact, I've always said Jay Rock was a better rapper from a pure "well rounded" nature than Kendrick was. Just more confident in who he was and arguably more free in his ability to make popular music. And he had the better presence on tracks. Jay Rock could be the fukkin LA version of Moneybagg Yo. It's SO easy. YG can't be the only one capable out there.

TDE was always late to adapt to shyt. They were late on trap, they were late on streaming, etc. Now they're out here over compensating, releasing 2 minute tracks and chasing Tiktok challenges. The only "against the grain" thing they've been right about IMO is crafting albums VS focusing entirely on playlists. SZA now has two bodies of work that people are going to cherish and play over the next decade. We already see Kendrick has multiple of those as well. But the rest of the lineup hasn't had enough shots at making that type of record. And the longer they wait, the more their careers die out. Which tells me you can't use the same strategy on every artist. Some artists have to drop every two years.



One more project and Sza will be on Mariah and Monica status. She's that close. I dont want anyone to ask me to explain his either, but she's a generational R&B staple....

I thought Ella Mai would be up there considering she's got quality songs with radio staying power too and her last album wasn't bad either.

H.E.R. seems to be in pseudo-hiatus too cause she doesn't know if she wants to make music for United Nations presentations or get the love she sees her actual peers are getting from the streets. She's a science project lowkey that worked TOO well.

Ari Lennox is making that pivot to having a core older fan base and I think she'll be long term successful. Summer Walker has the voice and appeal but has gotta mature FAST if she wants to last. Victoria Monet is finally getting her respect but she doesn't have enough music out. It's high quality but it's just not enough literal songs. She needs another EP next year.


I think Kendrick is veering into that Eminem lane of being so disconnected from reality and music that he's making insular decisions that don't sound right. Maybe I'm wrong and this upcoming collab album with Keem will be dope but I got a bad feeling it'll be more of the weird, trivial raps with meh hooks. The funny thing is that Family Ties is the most popular thing they did together, it was a smash hit, everyone fukks with it...yet their other collabs are just weird troll shyt. Nobody is looking for "post-rap" shyt. Get some dope beats, rap over them, and come up with some dope hooks. Also...why the fukk won't they let Keem win on his own. You had a successful album, got a hit, and were on the biggest rap tour of 2022. It should be time for Keem to fly on his own...

When I saw GKMC being praised I knew the era of fake love was going to boost him because I always knew he was overrated. See, the thing about drake always was, people could say what they wanted but the guy always only did music and he was the only one trying to push the sound forward. Some argue that others with smaller platforms actually did it, but at his level, drake was the only one truly innovating with sounds and cultures. They tried to bring drama into it about personal lives and to get him to be more outspoken on social media but if people forget...the guy stopped tweeting and went straight to solely making music. None of his peers did that.

In fact, I lowkey feel bad for Wale because he was pre-afrobeats and unless he really wants to pivot, never got to benefit from the obvious background he could have brought to the mainstream. Kendrick did everything to avoid being West coast and now his career is in this weird non-rooted place. Drake always kept Toronto. Big Sean even though he's kinda dimmed and Detroit is back up, always kept Detroit at the forefront, etc. Kendrick ran from LA and can't really claim anywhere now.

So with kendrick...after BLM and the police killings of Trayon, Garner, Mike Brown, and Tamir rice between 2013 and 2014...he became the archetype of that Neo-Pac shyt. Did we forget this? The media LOVED this guy. He was THE lyricist...doesn't matter if you can't quote his rhymes or remember a single verse or entendre or punchline...but don't you know hes the best rapper in the world? Don't you know?!




:mjlol:

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You had all this Be All Right stuff mixed with Obama and people were in a trance that kendrick was gonna save the world.

Only for him to come out as some weird Killer Mike type reactionary who lowkey admits he didn't ever want to become that. You saw them try it with Lil Baby but theres always that point where artists have to pick the mainstream lane or the gutter lane. ...and kendrick seems to regret the mainstream lane.

I mean what the fukk was this? People PRAISED this. :hhh:

THIS was c00ning at an all time high and I hated him for this shyt. Just disgusting to embrace that on stage. I dont give a fukk what the message was.



:gucci: :scust:

Now he's trying to age backwards by trying to be on some Uzi vert alt-rap shyt with Keem...it's not gonna work bro. You're not Tyler the Creator or even ASAP. If anything he should link back up with Dom Kennedy and fix the West Coast but he's just on some weirdo ninja shyt.

I always said people should note how Lupe is actually a Drake fan and what that says about Kendrick... :sas2:
 

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Theres no reason Jay Rock can't be where Mozzy is. In fact, I've always said Jay Rock was a better rapper from a pure "well rounded" nature than Kendrick was. Just more confident in who he was and arguably more free in his ability to make popular music. And he had the better presence on tracks. Jay Rock could be the fukkin LA version of Moneybagg Yo. It's SO easy. YG can't be the only one capable out there.
Despite having a couple smash hits, Jay Rock barely has more monthly spotify listeners than Mozzy. To me that tells the tale. His last album was so dope and did well, only for them to park his ass like this and kill his career. Just mind blowing after the loyalty he showed. He could have easily been jealous of Kendrick or Q's success yet never was. And the minute he got some of the support and success that they've had, the label pulled the rug. Insanity.

Breh you been delusional about GKMC for a decade, time to give up and admit you're wrong because this is corny. Fake love doesn't result in an album charting for a decade nonstop. GKMC outsold most rap albums last year. There's nothing to debate, he won, the album resonated, it transcended eras, and is a classic. If you can't even admit you were wrong on that what's the point in continuing the convo. There are all types of albums I dislike yet admit are classics or lasted the test of time.

DAMN is still selling extremely well. TPAB is still selling well. The legs his albums have are a testament to his greatness. Which is why I would hope him or his team are looking at Mr. Morale and asking tough questions about why its impact wasn't similar. I've heard Sounwave admit the album is a tough listen (conceptually) so perhaps they knew it would be a personal project that doesn't perform like the others. But you gotta double back to fix that. And my entire point on Kendrick is what does it say about him as an artist that the only way he can loosen up and have fun is by doing some trivial raps with his cousin. Like, he's so committed to concept albums that he's gotta do a side project to have fun? That's bad. Worse yet that I got zero confidence it's gonna be him rapping his ass off over dope beats.


This is lame. Lot of people rapping very well right now, including Drake. How about you rap well too.
 

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Despite having a couple smash hits, Jay Rock barely has more monthly spotify listeners than Mozzy. To me that tells the tale. His last album was so dope and did well, only for them to park his ass like this and kill his career. Just mind blowing after the loyalty he showed. He could have easily been jealous of Kendrick or Q's success yet never was. And the minute he got some of the support and success that they've had, the label pulled the rug. Insanity.
jay just gotta drop and say fukk the consequences. unless they're really Suge Knight at TDE.

I'm lowkey happy DJ Akademiks was trolling that label...whats going on with all that mystique?

I don't get it. The guy is a QUALITY artist.

Breh you been delusional about GKMC for a decade, time to give up and admit you're wrong because this is corny. Fake love doesn't result in an album charting for a decade nonstop. GKMC outsold most rap albums last year. There's nothing to debate, he won, the album resonated, it transcended eras, and is a classic. If you can't even admit you were wrong on that what's the point in continuing the convo. There are all types of albums I dislike yet admit are classics or lasted the test of time.

its not good

DAMN is still selling extremely well. TPAB is still selling well. The legs his albums have are a testament to his greatness. Which is why I would hope him or his team are looking at Mr. Morale and asking tough questions about why its impact wasn't similar. I've heard Sounwave admit the album is a tough listen (conceptually) so perhaps they knew it would be a personal project that doesn't perform like the others. But you gotta double back to fix that. And my entire point on Kendrick is what does it say about him as an artist that the only way he can loosen up and have fun is by doing some trivial raps with his cousin. Like, he's so committed to concept albums that he's gotta do a side project to have fun? That's bad. Worse yet that I got zero confidence it's gonna be him rapping his ass off over dope beats.

Kendrick might be done bro. his first solo project and that was what he did? Seems like he's been protected all this time.

I could be premature but ... to see him and J Cole swap places in terms of my anticipation for their projects is something I didn't see 5 years ago.


This is lame. Lot of people rapping very well right now, including Drake. How about you rap well too.


We dont even know what PG Lang is :picard:
 

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jay just gotta drop and say fukk the consequences. unless they're really Suge Knight at TDE.

I'm lowkey happy DJ Akademiks was trolling that label...whats going on with all that mystique?

I don't get it. The guy is a QUALITY artist.



its not good



Kendrick might be done bro. his first solo project and that was what he did? Seems like he's been protected all this time.

I could be premature but ... to see him and J Cole swap places in terms of my anticipation for their projects is something I didn't see 5 years ago.



We dont even know what PG Lang is :picard:

Program Language. But at this point...these dudes haven't done much. I assumed they'd sign a bunch of artists and put that $$$ to work but clear that didn't happen. To be fair they did release a total of three albums (Kdot, Keem, and the other guy Tanna Leone). And went on a massive tour that grossed 110mil. So the money is coming in but man, where is the expansion? Where are the interviews? Why were they working with Jorja Smith and then nothing seemed to happen? I don't get what's going on.

Like I said tho...maybe this album is gonna be huge. From what I've heard, it's gonna be a big push and will prob have another tour attached. Something smaller than the Mr Morale one, perhaps similar to the last J Cole tour which was only a few (big) cities. But if it's more shyt like that song they dropped a few months ago...ehhh? Even weirder to do some dumb shyt a year after Her Loss, which was the type of collab album you're supposed to drop if you're the fukking man.
 

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*You can tell which LA artist ain't gang affiliated

*STRAIGHT HERBED HIM

*If he was from a neighborhood this wouldn't of happened.

*1)The president would know better n step lightly

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2)The gang wouldn't tolerate their frontrunner getting disrespected like that on a public platform



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Lmao they did an episode of back on fig with Q and he did a little segment where he asks his homies who would be on his side if Moosa tried him like he did Reason lol. This comment came to mind as soon as I saw that shyt lol.

Safe to say Moosa wouldn't have had the same energy lol. He was present too!
 
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DAMN is still selling extremely well. TPAB is still selling well. The legs his albums have are a testament to his greatness. Which is why I would hope him or his team are looking at Mr. Morale and asking tough questions about why its impact wasn't similar. I've heard Sounwave admit the album is a tough listen (conceptually) so perhaps they knew it would be a personal project that doesn't perform like the others. But you gotta double back to fix that. And my entire point on Kendrick is what does it say about him as an artist that the only way he can loosen up and have fun is by doing some trivial raps with his cousin. Like, he's so committed to concept albums that he's gotta do a side project to have fun? That's bad. Worse yet that I got zero confidence it's gonna be him rapping his ass off over dope beats.

Personally I don't think he cares. Mr. Morale was an extremely personal album which I'm sure he knew wasn't going to sell like that. He didn't make it to show he was the king of rap or anything like that because he did that already. He is miles ahead of Drake and more interesting than Cole has been for awhile if you ask me.

Kendrick can write a hit record if he wants to, I mean the man wrote All the stars for crying out loud, he wrote 16 for Baby Keem which would have been a hit for himself if he kept it and he wrote on Win for Jay Rock. I mean dude wrote Humble for crying out loud as well. He could easily have chased a few hits but it's clear to me he didn't care about that.
 

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Theres no reason Jay Rock can't be where Mozzy is. In fact, I've always said Jay Rock was a better rapper from a pure "well rounded" nature than Kendrick was. Just more confident in who he was and arguably more free in his ability to make popular music. And he had the better presence on tracks. Jay Rock could be the fukkin LA version of Moneybagg Yo. It's SO easy. YG can't be the only one capable out there.





One more project and Sza will be on Mariah and Monica status. She's that close. I dont want anyone to ask me to explain his either, but she's a generational R&B staple....

I thought Ella Mai would be up there considering she's got quality songs with radio staying power too and her last album wasn't bad either.

H.E.R. seems to be in pseudo-hiatus too cause she doesn't know if she wants to make music for United Nations presentations or get the love she sees her actual peers are getting from the streets. She's a science project lowkey that worked TOO well.

Ari Lennox is making that pivot to having a core older fan base and I think she'll be long term successful. Summer Walker has the voice and appeal but has gotta mature FAST if she wants to last. Victoria Monet is finally getting her respect but she doesn't have enough music out. It's high quality but it's just not enough literal songs. She needs another EP next year.




When I saw GKMC being praised I knew the era of fake love was going to boost him because...
You were doing so well. Everything after "because" is pure Drake stan babble and a long winded attempt to undermine GKMC as the best rap album to come out last decade (and it still hasnt been topped).

and I dont even like Kendrick like that and will be the first to say that the man desparately needs executive oversight in order to make palpable music.
 

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Personally I don't think he cares. Mr. Morale was an extremely personal album which I'm sure he knew wasn't going to sell like that. He didn't make it to show he was the king of rap or anything like that because he did that already. He is miles ahead of Drake and more interesting than Cole has been for awhile if you ask me.

Kendrick can write a hit record if he wants to, I mean the man wrote All the stars for crying out loud, he wrote 16 for Baby Keem which would have been a hit for himself if he kept it and he wrote on Win for Jay Rock. I mean dude wrote Humble for crying out loud as well. He could easily have chased a few hits but it's clear to me he didn't care about that.
kendrick hit records are more because he's kendrick and less because they're hits
 

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Personally I don't think he cares. Mr. Morale was an extremely personal album which I'm sure he knew wasn't going to sell like that. He didn't make it to show he was the king of rap or anything like that because he did that already. He is miles ahead of Drake and more interesting than Cole has been for awhile if you ask me.

Kendrick can write a hit record if he wants to, I mean the man wrote All the stars for crying out loud, he wrote 16 for Baby Keem which would have been a hit for himself if he kept it and he wrote on Win for Jay Rock. I mean dude wrote Humble for crying out loud as well. He could easily have chased a few hits but it's clear to me he didn't care about that.

I get your point but dunno man. Mr Morale certainly has tracks that are mainstream attempts, radio or otherwise. And none of them were hits. I guess you could argue the label didn't push them hard but my issue is none of those tracks (Die Hard, Silent Hill, Purple Hearts, etc) sound particularly great. I like Die Hard and Silent Hill, but just comparing them to the pop/songwriting sensibilities of DAMN it's a clear step down. It's not just his rapping and lyrics that seem worse, it's his melodies too. Like, he just completely regressed in my opinion. Not to say the album doesn't have some great songs and performances, I'm just speaking about the overall album. And he hasn't really done anything since the album to calm my concerns. The Beyonce verse was cool, the Hillbillies thing was aite but like...I haven't heard anything that makes me say "ok he's still way ahead of Cole and Drake" in a long time. The weird thing is that while he's doing this weird, troll-like stuff...Cole is really rapping. Drake is really rapping. He doesn't have the pop or melody sensibilities to get away with the Kanye shyt he's seemingly trying to do.
 

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I get your point but dunno man. Mr Morale certainly has tracks that are mainstream attempts, radio or otherwise. And none of them were hits. I guess you could argue the label didn't push them hard but my issue is none of those tracks (Die Hard, Silent Hill, Purple Hearts, etc) sound particularly great. I like Die Hard and Silent Hill, but just comparing them to the pop/songwriting sensibilities of DAMN it's a clear step down. It's not just his rapping and lyrics that seem worse, it's his melodies too. Like, he just completely regressed in my opinion. Not to say the album doesn't have some great songs and performances, I'm just speaking about the overall album. And he hasn't really done anything since the album to calm my concerns. The Beyonce verse was cool, the Hillbillies thing was aite but like...I haven't heard anything that makes me say "ok he's still way ahead of Cole and Drake" in a long time. The weird thing is that while he's doing this weird, troll-like stuff...Cole is really rapping. Drake is really rapping. He doesn't have the pop or melody sensibilities to get away with the Kanye shyt he's seemingly trying to do.
I was with you till the Drake is really rapping comment. Drake has been the same dude artistically for years now. He takes no artistic risk and puts on the moniker of a young 19 year old in his music and not the almost 40 year old man he is. Plus Kendrick pulled his card many years ago and he didn't really want it so I'm not gonna allow you to even compare the two. Kendrick gave us Damn and TPAB where he took tons of risk. Kendrick makes better music and is a better artist imo. Drake gave us a collab with 21 savage and EDM Drake where both of those were ehh.


As for the Cole is really rapping part he is cool on features. Cole rap's here and there but his albums pale in comparison to Mr.Morale. Last Cole album I could listen to on repeat is 2014 Forrest hills drive but once he pivoted away from that coming of age story of being a dude from NC who traveled to NY to blow up he wasn't the same to me.

You may have a point in that perhaps Melody and songwriting Kendrick doesn't seem the same lately but I feel that may be a result in all the heavy lifting he has done. He's given away tons of his ideas to TDE artist and is damn near Keem with all the writing he has done for Keem so it's like he has a whole other career low key lol. He wrote All day for Kanye West so it's funny you mention Kanye.

With that said Kendrick is the best mainstream rapper and it's not close but he proved this years ago. With Mr.Morale he took extreme risk and basically put therapy and healing trauma in an album format. Who else is doing that? If you're a man especially black man then you get his point with this album but to make it palletable is not easy and I commend him for the attempt.

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kendrick hit records are more because he's kendrick and less because they're hits
That's fair but you can say the same for Eminem. I mean if you wanna dance and play party records you got Drake for that but Kendrick is still the better rapper and I still feel he can make legit hits when he wants to. Didn't think he was trying to make hits much on Mr.Morale. Were some of his songs a little commercial yes but he stayed focus on the concept overal.

He even had this more poppy song on there and scrapped it
 
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