Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Bill trying to help and these dudes too woke to listen
'Real Time with Bill Maher' is so awful now
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Bruh, do you live in a bubble? Your fantasy land doesn't exist. In reality, you don't get everything you want. There is an opposition and many, many variables.
Those whites marching in 2020 are nowhere near a majority. You need to double it at least.
Taking nothing over something is stupid. Deals don't have to be Win-Lose.
@Jesus H. Christ
Those whites marching in 2020 are nowhere near a majority. You need to double it at least.
Taking nothing over something is stupid. Deals don't have to be Win-Lose.
@Jesus H. Christ
Althalucian
All Star
You’re black?
Look, the cat is out of the bag. We have complex problems that can’t be solved by our archaic two party system. We can’t take in new groups without alienating others. This isn’t the 90s or even 2008. This country just isn’t going back…even if the dumb fukks want it that way.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I know I'm replying and you weren't talking to me, but I think there's a lot of truth in that bolded. If policies and bills are put into place that substantially help peoples' lives, they will vote for the people that put those laws into place.So you're telling me all those white folks that marched in small towns for George Floyd don't play well with them?
How are they grandstanding when progressives including the squad were the ones pushing hard for Bidens 3.5 trillion bill? Please make sense on that. And yes I would rather have nothing instead of crumbs. Middle class are tired of crumbs. They want a government that actually improves their lives. fukk crumbs.
Yes because the 1% pay their taxes right? So it's their money right? Cool way to shyt on the middle class and hard working lower income folks.
No, the point of winning of elections is not just winning. You gotta actually deliver on what politicians campaign on. Giving middle class and lower income folks crumbs is not what they want. You gotta actually deliver big on economic issues. If Democrats actually deliver with sweeping bills that helps your dumb fukking toothless racist cac they will vote with Democrats no matter how much "wokeness" they advocate for. There's no need to run to the center right to get those ignorant uneducated folks.
I'm a little tired of the culture war shyt, and I feel like it sometime deflects away from more policy and more substantive talk. People are more vulnerable to voting for culture war bullshyt and appeals to their bigoted tendencies when their lives are worse. And being bigoted is wrong. Flat out. Having an awful life is no excuse. It does make bigots worse, though.
I truly think substantive change for the working class in this country and progressive policies would expand the base and bring more people away from the right (even if slowly but surely).
Jesus H. Christ
I died for your sins
What are you talking about my fantasy don't exist? Every policy that progressives are trying to put in forth conservatives voters approve of in the reddest state. Every policy such as M4A, Free community college, Paid for leave, etc. are pretty common around the world. If anything America has a lot of catching up to do.
And nobody is trying to hear that you can't have everything. A bill that had a potential to be 6+ trillion should not have to be watered down to 1.7 trillion over 10 years. So now 3.5 trillion isn't a compromise? 1.7 trillion for a decade is a disgrace and a slap to your ordinary American. And you're still talking about you can't everything
All facts. This is why you have to check these guys that want the Democrats to engage in culture wars
Example : Bill MaherThis party needs to pass big viable economic bills (no crumbs) that will improve the lives of the middle class instead of engaging about critical race theory or big bird
Kenny West
Veteran
@Bold , and that sir, is the jig.
This is why politicians, why the rich get away with so much policywise and we get so little. Its why they never do anything for people and why they continue to get away with bankrolling the rich at the expense of us getting crumbs
Because you'll forever have the masses of peabrain c00ns & cacs like @OfTheCross and @Tony D'Amato drawn to it like catnip, wasting their political capital election after election to push the pendulum between facists or technocrats. Its like a worse version of Idiocracy except instead of fun & dumb took over the world, dumb and hateful gave the elites the leeway to pillage while people going all in to fight over dumb shyt
I just want out
All facts. This is why you have to check these guys that want the Democrats to engage in culture wars
This party needs to pass big viable economic bills (no crumbs) that will improve the lives of the middle class instead of engaging about critical race theory or big bird
Pure facts from all three of you.
Economic issues, Justice System, Education, and Environment. If the party focused on THOSE issues they would kick ass. Not saying that other shyt isn't important - I care about foreign policy, civil rights, voting rights, military, etc. But too many people (people on this site and people in power both) are constantly caught up in either identity politics or vocabulary arguments instead of the shyt that actually changes lives and it's killing any hope of real shyt getting done.
And to be clear, identity politics is NOT civil rights. Identity politics is NOT acknowledging and fighting against racism. Identity politics is when you spend all your energy focusing on the identity of the person in power rather than focusing on whether they actually fight for the right shyt to get done.
sounds like you dont stand for anything.
Unless you think popularity validates ideas....
Bubble talk, breh. There's a loyal opposition and factions in your own Party.What are you talking about my fantasy don't exist? Every policy that progressives are trying to put in forth conservatives voters approve of in the reddest state. Every policy such as M4A, Free community college, Paid for leave, etc. are pretty common around the world. If anything America has a lot of catching up to do.
And nobody is trying to hear that you can't have everything. A bill that had a potential to be 6+ trillion should not have to be watered down to 1.7 trillion over 10 years. So now 3.5 trillion isn't a compromise? 1.7 trillion for a decade is a disgrace and a slap to your ordinary American. And you're still talking about you can't everything
All facts. This is why you have to check these guys that want the Democrats to engage in culture wars
This party needs to pass big viable economic bills (no crumbs) that will improve the lives of the middle class instead of engaging about critical race theory or big bird
All that shyt you saying may be true, and I may agree with it, but in reality things don't work out that way. You have to fight for it all and take what you can get.
It's not what you know. It's what you can prove.
I would love M4A, UBI and advocate for MMT and reparations.. None of that shyt is possible to do tomorrow, today, or yesterday. At least not in reality.
choc_cardigan
Squad
Why does this site continue to feed the trolls? That a$$hole continues to post a show no one watched. And the post nonsense word salads just to argue. fukk him and fukk that show
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
Every policy that progressives are trying to put in forth conservatives voters approve of in the reddest state. Every policy such as M4A, Free community college, Paid for leave, etc. are pretty common around the world. If anything America has a lot of catching up to do.
All facts. I think I just read the other day that 88% of Democrats support M4A, and 69% of all voters support it. And I believe support for everything else you mentioned is high as well. Definitely the majority among people that vote democrat, and probably higher than anyone would think for independents and conservatives. For support among real people to be that high, it's ridiculous that no politicians support these things as policy positions.
We are absolutely far behind the rest of the first world. People in other countries think we are barbaric and backwards. Every other 1st world nation has figured this stuff out. We gotta catch up.
I don’t think you all understand that majority of right wing white people would rather live in destitution rather than share resources with “undeserving” minorities.
Look at the FDR consensus of 1940-1970. Yeah Dixiecrats we’re willing to go along with progressive policies as long as they were left alone to keep their foot on our necks. They bolted from the party and embraced Nixon and Raegan as a backlash to the passing of the Civil War.
Go back 150 years. Majority of white people had no business fighting and dying to preserve slavery. The institution was harmful to the typical white person. But they were more than happy to be cannon fodder for the landed gentry who treated them with disdain.
These people value whiteness above everything else. All the culture war issues they care about are a representation or a political substitute of that whiteness. (2nd amendment, abortion, anti immigration, CRT, blue lives matter etc.)
Read this book called “Why we can’t have nice things”. The author lays it out better than I can.
In 2021, most White people don't even live in communities with a meaningful number of Black folk. What % of White people do you believe are so hateful and self-destructive that you think they would destroy their own lives solely to "own the blacks" that they don't even see on a daily basis?
Not just what % are racist. But what % are so overwhelmingly racist they would fukk over their own family to pursue that racism.
I'm not denying the type you suggest exists. But be specific for a moment - what % of White people do you think it includes?